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Tom
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Laika
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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 12/9/2004 12:49 PM (GMT -6) | | You left me and the Moderator's Second Cousin out as well.
They'll be hell to pay at the next family reunion....
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Mayflower
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| Posted 12/9/2004 1:37 PM (GMT -6) | | 
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Greetings, Brother:
Um, could you have meant: 'M-a-y-f-l-o-w-e-r'?
If so, I'll send my current email address...
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Laika wrote:
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Peace & blessings,
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Tom
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| Posted 12/10/2004 2:08 AM (GMT -6) | | Laika: Tom and I are looking for people who would like to participate in a forum dedicated to discussion from an open view perspective.
Due to CVM's status, it may well be the successor to this forum.
Tom: Little quick there Bro on CVM's status. Hmm. I'd be happy to discuss the open view elsewhere with folks who want to, but successor?
Duude. What are you thinking?
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Tom
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| Posted 12/10/2004 10:09 AM (GMT -6) | | ATW-
Email the address at the top of this thread. You'll have to undergo a prostate exam to join, but that's all. It's done quickly, and online!
If...if if if...we're not able to accommodate something private on this forum, and something new gets started up, then you would, I should think, be welcome. Raise one determinist thought to the sky, however, and you're booted!! 
Seriously, I hope it's clear that we're not talking about a secret club where open theists get together and tell each other how swell their theology is. Not by a long shot. The point is to discuss family-related issues without having to defend the basic claim that the future is open, that libertarian free will exists, etc. You sound like you'd qualify, ATW. Send a money order for...just kinddin.
Take care,
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/10/2004 10:53 AM (GMT -6) | | An OLD gray-bearded thought.
What MADE this board was all the graduate students who KNEW that they were willing to "flip-flop" their positions several times before settling--momentarily--on anything. THAT gave this board its zest, character, and dynamism.
Doesn't it sound like y'all each want your own little 'safe' rist-free boxes? Not exactly--but over in that direction. Hmmm....
Y'ALL JUST NEED A NEW CROP OF STUDENTS!
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 12/10/2004 11:18 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by PotOnWheel
What MADE this board was all the graduate students who KNEW that they were willing to "flip-flop" their positions several times before settling--momentarily--on anything.
Y'ALL JUST NEED A NEW CROP OF STUDENTS!
Sign me up!
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Tom
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| Posted 12/10/2004 11:23 AM (GMT -6) | | Well, PoW, I've expressed as best as I can what it is I'm frustrated with and how I wish to spend the time I have online. I no longer wish to spend it arguing about:
a) whether libterarian free will exists or is coherent.
b) whether God is temporal or outside of time.
c) whether or not the future is partly open
d) whether or not God determines everything unconditionally
e) whether or not God takes risks
f) whether monergism or synergism is right
I think there IS a place and time to discuss these things. And I wouldn't object to this site being that place and time. Really. I just no longer wish to spend any of MY time in THAT place arguing with determinists about these things. Interpret that as you will. I'm worn out. Tired. It's not about constructing some illusion of safety from arguments I'm secretly convinced really DO defeat the open view. It's about not wanting to waste time arguing with people over things I and they know we're not gonna change on. If I wanted saftey, I wouldn't have stayed around this long dueling with determinists.
Where are the people you speak of who started this site? They're gone, PoW. I still talk to them, but they long ago decided the board wasn't where they could or wanted to spend their time. Ask them why.
Doc? Modes? Chelsea? Mephi? (and others). Ask 'em why they've left, PoW. Ask away. All left because of the very frustration I've been describing. Some also left partly because of how I moderated as ataraxia back in February over the "Carlie" thread. (Yeah, ya'll, now ya know. Oh well. It gives me an opportunity to say a huge heartfelt thanks to Greg and the Committe for putting up with my less than perfect job of moderating. I enjoyed it. Learned a lot.)
Springs, Semeia, Iconoclast, Shell...I've totally missed your voices since February.
PoW, you can question us who are tired and want a different venue (whether on this board or elsewhere) if that makes you feel better. Go for it. Whatever.
Just think guys, all of you who have complained for months and months (years!) that we open theists are narrow minded, blind, mean-spirited heretics will have the satisfaction of knowing we won't be around to do any more damage. I hope that's some consolation to you.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/10/2004 1:21 PM (GMT -6) | | What that meant, Tom, is that you can't step into the same river twice, and you can't force things to happen. And, BTW, I don't think you have any shortness in realizing any of that. I just tried to point to what seemed to be a major ingredient in what "HAPPENED" (past tense). No suggestion that it would happen again.
Another element was the proximity in time to the BGC thing, and R. Olson and Modes (effectually) getting kicked off the Edgren Fellowship discussion site.
Hold a renunion, if you didn't already.
(Hope you enjoy my home state.)
PoW
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/10/2004 1:28 PM (GMT -6) | | I think to the Smells and Bells thread. Our very own woman priest was in the early stages of working through some things and figuring out how to implement others. It was a ripe moment. It seems that the "on the cusp" element is necessary to the brew. Later, it is only when "chemestry" acts as a catalyst that a settled matter is reenergized.
But then growing old has its graces too.
PoW
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/10/2004 1:31 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by sparknheart
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Originally posted by PotOnWheel
What MADE this board was all the graduate students who KNEW that they were willing to "flip-flop" their positions several times before settling--momentarily--on anything.
Y'ALL JUST NEED A NEW CROP OF STUDENTS!
Sign me up!
KEY TO THE LOGIC OF THE FLIP-FLOP: http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/marbles/flipflop.html
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/10/2004 1:51 PM (GMT -6) | | BTW -- It alway seemed to me that some ideas expressed and identified with "OV" had little to do with "Christus Victor" (Though a nineteeth or early twentieth century phrase. . . it is most present in Eastern Orthodoxy. 'Christ the Victor', as in the Eikon of the Anastasis: "trampling down death by death and in the tombs bestowing life." Some of the theologial curiousity and directions of inquiry sometimes seemed to run counter to that victory.
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