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GregBoyd
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| Posted 12/20/2004 12:10 PM (GMT -6) |   | Comrads of the great and might CVM discussion board, I'm afraid I bring news that will be sad to some of you. We are sorry, but for a variety of reasons, the Christus Victor Board has decided to bring the Christus Victor Discussion room to a close.  Two weeks from this Saturday will be the bye bye day for the board.
Among our reasons, the board was originally intended to be a place where I could interact with people over my ideas, writings, etc... (Of course the motivation was self-centered... we were footing the bill! ) I've had some incredible, mindboggling wonderful and informative exchanges, but over the last year I have felt led to invest my increasingly limited time and energy elsewhere. On top of this, the cost for sustaining the board has increased significantly and the CVM board has deemed it best to spend the precious little money CVM has on ministries other than this board (e.g. the homeless, sponsering seminars, etc.) There are a number of other considerations as well, but enough with explanations.
It has been a GREAT RUN you guys. A GREAT run. Many good thoughts, solid arguments, fun exchanges and even personal relationships have taken place because of this board. When I think back on the three-plus years the board has been in existence, it feels a bit like "whistle stop cafe" in my favorite movie Fried Green Tomatoes. It has impacted many many people, and that more than justifies its three year existence. I personally have learned much from all of you. Life feels a bit lonelier when I think of this board coming to end. But alas, finitude rules the fallen universe.
Now, ALL MAY NOT BE LOST. There is a wonderful person who is considering taking over this discussion room and hosting it on his own. We will know more about this in a few days. But we wanted to let you know in advance that CVM will not be hosting this chat room in another two weeks so as to give people a chance to wrap up business and prepare themselves emotionally as much as possible.
I feel sadness even as I'm writing this. (Odd too cuz I'm hardly even on anymore). But we believe this is the best thing.; It has been a great honor hosting this site and dialoguing with all of you.You have impressed me, aggrevated me, touched me, blessed me, informed me, stimulated me and encouraged me.
It HAS indeed been a great run. I will miss it, and will miss all of you.
In two weeks,
Good bye my comrades.
Greg/ Doc/ Shiner150
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/20/2004 1:04 PM (GMT -6) | | Thanks for the discussions, reactions, space and pace.
Yours,
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hookitx
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Total Posts : 2
| Posted 12/20/2004 3:06 PM (GMT -6) | | I also want to thank you for hosting this site for so long. While I agree with some of your teachings I have appreciated and valued the disagreements here and I believe I have grown in the process.
Thank you to all of the participants for all of their thoughts and effort on this board.
May God grant you the assurance of your salvation.
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Tom
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Total Posts : 10353
| Posted 12/20/2004 4:30 PM (GMT -6) | | Heartfelt thanks Greg (and the CVM Committee). Loved every minute. Learned a lot. Changed my life forever. Met great friends I'll know for the rest of my life. Pretty fruitful I'd say.
My thanks to Chelsea too for originally moderating and then inviting me to moderate (for a year now?) as ataraxia.
Love and peace to you all,
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trosie
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Date Joined Jul 2001
Total Posts : 550
| Posted 12/20/2004 5:38 PM (GMT -6) | | I know that time changes and things don’t stay the same. Truth is this board has changed over the course it has run it’s time and things are not as they used to be. Some things are better, some are worse and all who have left have been dearly missed by me.
Greg Boyd I want to take this opportunity to openly tell you that you are a person who has challenged and influenced me far more than any other pastor. Thank you for allowing God to work through you because your ministry and open honesty has brought about much healing in my life. I cannot imagine that I would be the person I am today if I hadn’t read some of your books and been a part of this discussion board. You and all the rest will be deeply missed in feeding into my life. Thank you Greg and all those who have served and hosted this CVM board!
I want to thank EACH person who has posted on this board because I have learned some valuable lessons and have changed and modified and changed and modified and changed and modified my beliefs several times due to the honesty and passion that has been shared on this board. I no longer look at people in the same way that I once did. My awareness and sensitivity to differences has become a part of my matrix. 
JEE thank you for the invitation you extended to all of us to stay informed with the Open View (another important belief that has substantially changed my life especially in regard to prayer) I had become discouraged on the last thread I started and feel that I need a break but may at some point come and join in with the one you have shared with us. Thanks for inviting all of us.
I hope that I have not offended anyone from the thread I started. I hope that I can be forgiven if I have caused any wounds or walls from any unkind or thoughtless words in any post I have put on this board . Please forgive me if I have offended anyone. I pray God will bring healing if there is anyone who has been wounded by unkind words. 
I pray that each of us will continue to grow and find people and places where open, mind challenging learning can continue in the process of becoming renewed. Might-be-don, I will be praying for you and your wife. Jo-Anne, I will be praying for you and your family. Tigress, I will also be praying for you. BBB, I also continue to pray for you and your marriage.... I have and will pray for people whenever you come to mind. Gosh, I pray for so many of you and I haven't even met most of you! You have indeed had an impact on my life.
Goodbye dear fellow brothers and sisters.
With heartfelt love,
Trosie
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1Heart
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Date Joined Feb 2004
Total Posts : 1128
| Posted 12/20/2004 8:52 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by trosie
I know that time changes and things don’t stay the same. Truth is this board has changed over the course it has run it’s time and things are not as they used to be. Some things are better, some are worse and all who have left have been dearly missed by me.
Greg Boyd I want to take this opportunity to openly tell you that you are a person who has challenged and influenced me far more than any other pastor. Thank you for allowing God to work through you because your ministry and open honesty has brought about much healing in my life. I cannot imagine that I would be the person I am today if I hadn’t read some of your books and been a part of this discussion board. You and all the rest will be deeply missed in feeding into my life. Thank you Greg and all those who have served and hosted this CVM board!
I want to thank EACH person who has posted on this board because I have learned some valuable lessons and have changed and modified and changed and modified and changed and modified my beliefs several times due to the honesty and passion that has been shared on this board. I no longer look at people in the same way that I once did. My awareness and sensitivity to differences has become a part of my matrix.
JEE thank you for the invitation you extended to all of us to stay informed with the Open View (another important belief that has substantially changed my life especially in regard to prayer) I had become discouraged on the last thread I started and feel that I need a break but may at some point come and join in with the one you have shared with us. Thanks for inviting all of us.
I hope that I have not offended anyone from the thread I started. I hope that I can be forgiven if I have caused any wounds or walls from any unkind or thoughtless words in any post I have put on this board . Please forgive me if I have offended anyone. I pray God will bring healing if there is anyone who has been wounded by unkind words.
I pray that each of us will continue to grow and find people and places where open, mind challenging learning can continue in the process of becoming renewed. Might-be-don, I will be praying for you and your wife. Jo-Anne, I will be praying for you and your family. Tigress, I will also be praying for you. BBB, I also continue to pray for you and your marriage.... I have and will pray for people whenever you come to mind. Gosh, I pray for so many of you and I haven't even met most of you! You have indeed had an impact on my life.
Goodbye dear fellow brothers and sisters.
With heartfelt love,
Trosie
Hi,
I've probably expressed my thankfulness for this board more times than I can remember, but one more time for the road - thank you. It has been an adventure, a journey, one that propels me onward. It has challenged and inspired me, and I have learned a lot on the journey. I do hope and pray, and trust even, that there will be another discussion board for open theism. There is a need for it. It has changed my life, my spiritual walk, and encouraged me greatly. I know it has done the same for others, and will continue to do so. This was a wonderful discovery for me (the open view, and the board).
Dr Boyd, thank you so very much for your dedication as an author, as well as pastor, speaker..., and for your shepherd's heart. That was immediately obvious.
Thank you all for the discussions, and the prayer support, for the online community of spiritual friends.
I hope that some of us will stay in touch.
God Bless,
Jo-Anne 
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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Truth Aficionado
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Date Joined Dec 2003
Total Posts : 1544
| Posted 12/21/2004 3:53 AM (GMT -6) | | Wow, oh no!  what will a guy do now? I guess I will return to aimlessly wandering the cold streets of Minneapolis in desperate search of my thermos. That's all I need...um and maybe this ashtray...umm and this lamp.
A Merry Christmas to all and to all good night,
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rsirkel
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Date Joined May 2002
Total Posts : 183
| Posted 12/21/2004 7:30 AM (GMT -6) | | Thanks Everyone, Determinists included. This board has been the best educational tool I have ever experienced.
Peace
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timlings
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Date Joined Apr 2002
Total Posts : 130
| Posted 12/21/2004 10:53 AM (GMT -6) | | Greg
This discussion board has been very influential in shaping the way I think about God and do life. Thank you for hosting it for so long!
I hear that you're coming to Revive! this summer (with Ichthus)? I hope to see you there!
Love in Christ.
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selah
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Date Joined Oct 2001
Total Posts : 1210
| Posted 12/22/2004 10:45 AM (GMT -6) | | Thanks from me too.
Tom, you were ataraxia? ha. too funny. Yep, I have a picture of God who looks like you :)
Meph, YOU WERE Questioner! Gee, I e-mailed Tom to say it was you and he defended you MR. ooooo bad bad baaaaaaaaad...
JEE, PoW, GB, Trosie, Leila (if your out there sister), Mark, Jo-Anne, laika, spen, Mouse and Misevac and Miss E.(from back in the day) and everyone...it's been a pleasure.
Exceeding Blessings to all,
love
selah/pouringagape/proverbs23/word
"When we acknowledge that all of life is sacred and that each act is an act of choice and therefore sacred, then life is a sacred dance lived consciously each moment. When we live at this level, we participate in the creation of a better world."
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barryatk
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Date Joined Jun 2004
Total Posts : 101
| Posted 12/22/2004 1:04 PM (GMT -6) | |
I first posted here in June this year. It was my first foray into cyber-community. Within a few days I felt I had many new friends as well as good-hearted opponents. Some of these I feel will stay with me. Others I feel I'll never know again this side of heaven. I am quite sad about that.
I've said many things in my local church about the people and beliefs on this board.
I hate that this is going away and I think I understand that it has morphed into something different.Ok. so .. thanks to Dr. Boyd for hosting so long! Hope someone will host a new site!
Thanks to all who have shared soooo much from the heart and from God's word!
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Leila
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Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 93
| Posted 12/22/2004 1:18 PM (GMT -6) | | Hey Selah, I'm out here. Guess I should stop lurking and jump in with my two cents about my appreciation for this discussion board...
I discovered this site about 18 months ago, at a time when I was at a real spiritual low. Church was failing me, Christian fellowship seemed superficial and meaningless, questions nagged at me, doubts overcame me. I remember trying to find answers on the Internet when I decided to Google "Greg Boyd," thinking that he was one person I felt could really help me. And that's when I discovered CVM. I guess I missed the site at its peak, but it sure seemed wonderful to me. I appreciated so much having a place to have some questions answered; to learn about the open view; to witness authentic dialogue; and to feel affirmed as a Christian despite my floundering faith.
I've mostly been quiet on this board, I guess because I feel that I usually don't have much worth saying and I prefer to "listen" and learn from the rest of you. And from my listening, I really feel that I have gotten to know each of you. When I first read about the site going down a few days ago, I felt really sad. Not just because I wouldn't have this place to learn from, but because of all of the wonderful people I would miss.
I'm relieved to learn that it looks like the site will continue in the same form, so I assume everyone will still be "here." Nonetheless, I want to take this opportunity to let everyone know how much I appreciate this site, and everyone's contributions to it. Thank you Dr. Boyd for this ministry. God bless you all. -Leila
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GregBoyd
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Date Joined Jul 2001
Total Posts : 1818
| Posted 12/22/2004 6:43 PM (GMT -6) | | I feel like Dorthy saying goodbye to the Scarecrow, Tin Man and the Lion.
I appreciate all the thanks, but I want to thank all of you. I have benefited greatly from this board. Seriously. many insights I've gain... and many fond memoreis. Actually, I've been amazed at all the MEMORIES that have been coming back to me since posting the notice two days ago. I have laughed, cried and hollered at this site many times. I had forgotten how this discussion board sometimes caused me to not be able to go to sleep (formulated rebuttals and what not). For about half a year my wife would get angry if she found me checking the site too close to bed time! HA. And when I think of some of the permanent relationships and theology changes that have taken place through this site, I want to shout Hallelujah! (e.g. I seriously doubt that The Hexagon, which will someday change the structure of logic realtive to future tense propositions, would have come about without this board.)
Oh the memories. There has been some solid thought provoking top notch scholarship done on this site. (TGB, some of your stuff on the OT was very imapcting to me). And does anyone else remember Meph's spoofed conversion, then real conversion? How about t Mode's marvelous sexual dispensational diatribe (which, if we were voting, would still be one of the top two or three "best of" postings). Then of course there was the obsession on THREES (which I still haven't lost!).... and it goes on and on.
Heh, got an idea. We should maybe end by people posting a few of their "best of" memories/ slogans/ what not.
Here's the one I think made me laugh the loudest and longest. I think it was TGB who a year or two bad said (the context need not be rehearsed)
"You're falling into the Bobbie Vortex"!!!
I'm laughing as I type it. (If you weren't there, don't even TRY to get it).
What are some other memories you have?
Greg
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1Heart
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Total Posts : 1128
| Posted 12/22/2004 7:58 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by JEE
Gotta be one of Laika's many pictorial spoofs, like when spen was arguing that we ought not tell little kids they were good, and Laika posted a pic of a dad sternly responding to his kid's question, "Am I a good boy?" with a starkly Augustinian kind of response about how totally depraved and wicked the little guy really was. Now THAT was a classic! Where does Laika GET all those great pics? Must be involved in graphic design or photography of some kind.
A close second would have to be the surfer-girl-gets-arm-bit-off-by-a-shark thread, when someone suggested it really MAY have been God showing his love for her, and Laika comes up with the classic Monty Python picture of the knight who kept loosing his extremities.
For what it's worth, Doc...I know I have probably been about as much fun as a bad toothache to you guys at times, but I really do want you to know how much I appreciate you and the work you've done and continue to do.
John
I echo that sentiment. I loved Laika's pictures. I first came on in the problem with evil thread about the railroad tracks...if you could pull the switch, who would you let die? Remember that? It was while Zosia was still fresh in my mind. I've learned so much from all of you since then. The board sparked the adventure of a life time, the first of many I hope, and I attended the "Is God to Blame?" conference. Most of you will never know what that trip meant to me, and how it was the result of an amazing transformation in my life (through cataphatic prayer). Spen, you know how vigorously I defended Seeing is Believing!
Thanks to the board I have a greater understanding of the open view, and the practical application of it in my walk and ministry, and I found a community where it was safe to ask just about anything!
And I am decidedly a proud member of the judge not crowd, and that other club that began way back when...I think Selah started it (on the Carlie thread).
This board has been a great adventure, and will be part of a continuing journey in my life.
I could hardly believe that someone who wrote books like God At War, and Satan and the Problem of Evil, could be so down to earth, not arrogant at all. It will be one of the highlights of my journey, meeting the author of the books I "devoured" in the beginning of this journey, and who knows...maybe I'll get to edit one some day! I'm starting university in January, on my way to becoming an editor, and am working on a second book at the same time...busy, busy, busy! All of our lives are busy, I'm sure, but this has been an oasis. I was just thinking the other day, that we often don't get to see the results of our ministry in this lifetime, and how wonderful it must be to know that people have been blessed like this. Dr Boyd, your ministry (and no doubt Shelly's) will go out like ripples into eternity. I know that being a pastor is challenging enough, and that there are times of discouragement. I hope that you will always be able to look back on this board, and be encouraged.
I will miss so many, if they do not transfer over to some other discussion board. I hope to continue discussing, and discovering somewhere.
BBB, I appreciated your insights about narrative theology, and the patience you had in explaining it to me. I love the truth that we are part of a great story. John and Sparkn'heart and barryatk, TGB have been brothers who have encouraged as they've shared their insights. Mayflower, Quest, Selah, I've enjoyed your compassion, and the fun exchanges, and have learned from all of you.
My favorite threads, the ones I was most passionate about, dealt with cataphatic prayer (Seeing Is Believing). I am passionate about prayer, and the transformation that comes through that relationship. I believe with all my heart that He is able to replace wounded memories with something more powerful...and that it comes through relationship with Him, and through prayer, and that it profoundly affects our lives and ministry (and now, I sound like I'm preaching...so I better quit).
I appreciate you all.
God Bless & Merry Christmas!
Jo-Anne
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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