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JEE
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   Posted 1/26/2005 1:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
From what I can tell, SpongeBob really is incidental to the issue that Dobson is trying to raise; i.e., that an organization is apparently sending out a "tolerance" video that promotes the idea to very impressionable young schoolchildren that homosexual behavior ought to be just as acceptable as heterosexual behavior. The fact that SpongeBob and a motley crew of other cartoon characters are being used by this video to increase its appeal to children, while important in and of itself, is really just peripheral to the main issue for conservative Christians like myself. We don't care to have what we consider egregious offenses to God's law (sin) being taught to our children as if it were morally equivalent to righteous behavior.

In my experience, liberals are about the most intolerant group of people of all. They often exhibit absolutely no respect or tolerance for those who hold to conservative social mores.

John

Post Edited (JEE) : 1/27/2005 12:24:23 AM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 1/26/2005 11:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MephEternal said...
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The Tolerance Pledge (Which is NOT in the song and NOT for distribution to the Schools!)
http://www.wearefamilyfoundation.org/tolerance_pledge.asp
 
Tolerance is a personal decision that comes from a belief that every person is a treasure. I believe that America's diversity is its strength. I also recognize that ignorance, insensitivity and bigotry can turn that diversity into a source of prejudice and discrimination.
To help keep diversity a wellspring of strength and make America a better place for all, I pledge to have respect for people whose abilities, beliefs, culture, race, sexual identity or other characteristics are different from my own.
 
If you go to the We are Family Foundation website, you will find a link in the center of the Tolerance Pledge.   Check it out: http://www.tolerance.org/
 
They are fighting the Internet filters in public schools and libraries that block access to LGBTQ information and resources because the terms "gay" and "lesbian" are considered objectionable.
 
On the tolerance.org website's home page, the word "hate" is found ten different times, the word "love" is found ZERO.
 
Education secretary decries PBS cartoon's lesbian content: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3009795

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   Posted 1/27/2005 1:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
John:
In my experience, liberals are about the most intolerant group of people of all. They often exhibit absolutely no respect or tolerance for those who hold to conservative social mores.

And you, of course, love them with the love of Christ. And pray for them, right? You acknowledge the unacceptable nature of their behaviour...but never let your love for them diminish because of that, right? Even that bad ol' liberal(s) that messed with your truck. You prayed for them too, right?

Just wondering.

I got convicted about this, with respect to Dr. Dobson and the AFA. It's one thing to maintain respect for people...it's a different thing to lovingly (NOT condescendingly) pray for them. Kudos to the Spirit of God for reminding me of this.

devil


"I've been converted three times. The first was to traditional Christianity; the second to honesty and the third was to the Love of God and man (humanity) The third was the real conversion. The first two were preliminary."

--Nels Ferre, a theologian speaking of his spiritual journey with the Triune God

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JEE
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   Posted 1/27/2005 2:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MephEternal said:

And you, of course, love them with the love of Christ. And pray for them, right? You acknowledge the unacceptable nature of their behaviour...but never let your love for them diminish because of that, right? Even that bad ol' liberal(s) that messed with your truck. You prayed for them too, right?

Just wondering.

I'm wondering why you're wondering about how I live out my faith. Don't judge me, man! biggrin (kidding)

But seriously, folks...the truck incident just plain puzzled me at first, and then I laughed about it and am still laughing. The sheer absurdity of it all is just hilarious. I still can't fathom how a person who would champion democratic values could ever justify their interference with another person's right to non-violently express their own political views. The thought of vandalizing someone else's property just because I don't like their political views is completely against my own convictions about how a Christian should live, in addition to my views of how a citizen of a democracy should live.

As to the "unconditional, unsurpassable worth love" thing, I think I've made myself clear that I don't find that idea taught in scripture nor logically possible. But no, I don't actively HATE liberals, I just find them hard to relate to. I should also say that most of my conservative friends think of me as more liberal than they would prefer, so I guess it's all kind of relative. icon_bandit

In my experience, the liberals and conservatives both strongly tend to pontificate, stating or implying that their position is "God's agenda," somehow, the one that JESUS would really champion. The funny thing to me is both these camps often try to use God for their own political ends, when Jesus said His kingdom was NOT of this world. It seems to me to be a rather common mistake on both sides of the spectrum for people to confuse the church with the state.

How do I pray for liberals? I honestly don't get the idea that genuine prayer could ever possibly be condescending (in the sense of not valuing or demeaning someone). If by "condescending" you mean do I pray that they be persuaded to change their way of thinking, I don't know that I ever have prayed for them in that way, but I don't think that would necessarily be condescending, though obviously it might be. I generally don't find that I am able to pray effectively for people that I don't have some kind of personal contact with. That said, I freely admit that prayer is an area that I greatly need to improve in. My strongly "bookish" rationalistic personality tends to make prayer more of an exercise in contemplation and seeking for enlightenment than active intercession for others. And it is an area that I intend to seriously improve on this year.

As far as my political views go, I did conscientiously vote for Bush as the one whom I felt was the best option of the two, but that doesn't mean I would rubber-stamp everything he ever says or does.

John

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   Posted 1/28/2005 5:21 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If anyone missed Dobson's radio broadcast today, here is the open letter he has put out today explaining his side of the story:

www.family.org/docstudy/newsletters/a0035339.cfm


May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.


JohnE


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