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selah
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   Posted 2/2/2005 8:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey everyone!

I'm looking for book recommendations on the subject of faith. Not just everday faith either, big time faith.

Specifically, I'd love to read about someone who struggled intellectually with faith. Someone who decided to A) nourish faith with reason or B) accept God's thoughts as higher...and not try to figure everything out.

That kind of thing.

All suggestions welcome! Need this by Feb 9.

THANKS!!!!


Blessings and love,
selah

PS BTW anyone read the other two on my list:
Can You Drink the Cup? or Making All Things New - by Henri Nouwen? If so,, any comments?


For your steadfast love is higher than the heavens, and your faithfulness reaches to the clouds.
psalm 108:4

Post Edited (Selah) : 2/3/2005 5:23:25 AM (GMT-6)

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rsirkel
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   Posted 2/2/2005 4:58 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Selah
A good book on faith that will give you a paradigm shift in understanding is Richard B. Hays' "The Faith of Jesus" second edition (because it has a new intro with his reflections after 20 years and great additions at the end of the book) J. Louis Martyn's commentary on Galatians (Anchor Bible) has the same perspective on faith, just hit the index and go right to it.

Happy Trails
Ron


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1Heart
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   Posted 2/3/2005 8:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
blush Selah,

I just finished Blue Like Jazz, by Donald Miller. It's probably the most non-religious, religious book that I've read, refreshingly honest, and inspiring.

Cheers! cheers


"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."

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selah
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   Posted 2/4/2005 11:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Ron and Jo-anne,

Here are some other suggestions I've received.
Anyone want to help me narrow this down?
I'll probably buy 2 or 3.

or 4.


5?

HELP!

love
selah


Reconciling Faith and Reason
by Thomas P. Rausch S.J.

Anselm: Fides quaerens intellectum;: (Faith in search of understanding)
by Karl Barth

Transcending All Understanding: The Meaning of Christian Faith Today
by Walter Kasper, Boniface Ramsey

Dare to Think for Yourself : A Journey From Faith to Reason
by Betty Brogaard

A Reasonable Faith
by Tony Campolo

Anselm: The Joy of Faith (Crossroad Spiritual Legacy Series)
by William H. Shannon

The Content of Faith: The Best of Karl Rahner's Theological Writings
by Karl Rahner, Karl Lehmann, Albert Raffelt, Harvey D. Egan

God's Funeral: The Decline of Faith in Western Civilization
by A. N. Wilson

The End of Certainty and the Beginning of Faith: Religion and Science for the 21st Century
by D. Brian Austin

Maimonides and St. Thomas on the Limits of Reason
by Idit Dobbs-Weinstein

St. Anselm: Reasonable Faith
by Thomas Merton

Faith Seeking Understanding: An Introduction to Christian Theology
by Daniel L. Migliore

On Faith and Reason (Aquinas)
by Thomas Aquinas, Stephen F. Brown

Summa Theologiae: A Concise Translation by Thomas Aquinas
By Timothy McDermott

The Impossibility of God
by Michael Martin, Ricki Monnier


For your steadfast love is higher than the heavens, and your faithfulness reaches to the clouds.
psalm 108:4

Post Edited (Selah) : 2/4/2005 11:29:22 AM (GMT-6)

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Tom
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   Posted 2/7/2005 10:20 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gosh Sis, I haven't read a single one of these books! I feel like a total idiot.

I'd try these books: Genesis (especially the part on Abraham's life), Exodus (the part about Moses' struggles), Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews.

Just kiddin! A few of those titles you posted really look interesting. Tell me about 'em this summer after we all move up!

Tom


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CalvinnHobbes
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   Posted 2/8/2005 12:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

rsirkel is busting out some of the Postliberals!  Wow!  You're the first I've seen to do this on this board anyway.  Paradigm shift cubed, Selah.  Their framework is incredibly fascinating and somewhat beautiful, but be cautious.  Those in the postliberal camp with whom I'm familiar (Stanley Hauerwas, John Howard Yoder, Douglas Harink, Rodney Clapp) sport the most dogmatic presuppositionalism I think I could possibly imagine.  They're definitely worth the read, though.

If you want a look at the flip side, doubt, check out Gary Habermas' The Thomas Factor.  He's Chair of the Department of Philosophy and Theology at Liberty University, and a great apologist in my estimation.  He lost his wife to cancer, if I recall, and it created something of a faith crisis.

Best wishes!

Shane 


"There is no fit search after truth which does not, first of all, begin to live the truth which it knows."  ~Horace Bushnell

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rsirkel
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   Posted 2/8/2005 1:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
CalvinnHobbes
Do I sense a challenge here? Dogmatic presuppositionalism? I suppose you mean they were letting dogma drive their interpretations of scripture but without an example your charge is meaningless. If you would like to discuss the two works I mentioned in my post to Selah I will be looking for you on another thread, your call. Police the boundaries if you like but you will have to show your badge. :-)

Happy Trails
Ron


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CalvinnHobbes
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   Posted 2/27/2005 12:11 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No challenge or disrespect intended at all, rsirkel.  I was actually very excited to see someone referencing this circle of scholars.  I have found them extremely fascinating, and I can't tell you how glad I am to have come across them.  I've learned a lot by working with some of their ideas. 
 
By "dogmatic," I was basically referring to an "it is absolutely impossible that I could be wrong" vibe or, at the very least, triumphalistic tone.  I say this particularly of their understanding of the faith/reason relationship, but I think I could say it of some of their theological positions as well.  Again, I haven't read Hays or Martyn, so I certainly won't tread those waters.   But some (I should have qualified earlier) of the authors I referenced are so staunchly against the possibility of there being any validity to "natural reason" (therefore "presuppositionalist" in my usage), that they're even willing to call first principles of logic cognitive constructions of the West.  I may be misunderstanding them, but this is what I've gathered.  It's admittedly postmodern, and the implementation of postmodern "logic," semantics, and cognitive constructivism seems to me to guarantee outright that no one can threaten one's position with argumentation.  But I could be off base here.  I'm no scholar.
 
I'm in a weekly discussion group with about 10 guys, two of whom (directing our study) are thorougly read, devoted followers of these postliberals I've mentioned.  We've been discussing them.  The pastor leading our study even talks with some of them once in awhile.  Despite my mad respect for the tremendous intelligence of the hardline postliberals in my discussion group, in my experience the degree of their presuppositionalism commits them to a completely unfalsifiable position.  I can't even ask a critical question of this theological camp without being written off a priori as some sort of product of "modernity."  I really like their ecclesiology, so we have enough in common to enjoy our dialogue very much.  But I don't even bother challenging them in any way that could be considered "philosophical."  They've set up their position to be completely unassailable.  But maybe Hays and Martyn are different.  I don't know, to be quite honest.  I just know that the authors we discuss cite the two of them frequently.
 
Side note:  I was at Woodland Hills this weekend and heard Greg's Sunday morning sermon "Why Did Jesus Have to Die."  Just about brought me to freakin' tears.  Thank God for this brother's ability to remind us of the love of our triune God.  This was the first time I've ever heard him speak.  *I could have passed on the worship though.  A bit distracting (and this is even coming from the former guitar player of the now defunct Christian rock band 38th Parallel).
 
Respectfully,
 
Shane


"There is no fit search after truth which does not, first of all, begin to live the truth which it knows."  ~Horace Bushnell

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rsirkel
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   Posted 2/27/2005 9:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Shane
A response as gracious as yours deserves a reply.

Thank you for the clarification. I didn't think you had read the books I mentioned but just in case anyone thought you were refering to Hays and Martyns I was ready to muster the effort.

From the way you write I think a reading of the commentaries of Hays and Martyns on Galatians will delight you. N.T Wright's new commentary on Romans is also an eye opener. Hays's redefinition of faith as the story of Jesus's faithful obedience which calls forth a loyal response (my paraphrasing, there were many nuances) and not primarily understood as grounded in human choice, was helpful in my understanding of some of the reasons the reformers initially took issue with arminians.

A review of "The Spirit as Lord: The Pneumatology of Karl Barth" has a summation of what I think was the key issue of tension. ".....who took the fateful step (Schleiemacher) of introducing a theology that grounds the possibility of faith on the constitution of the human being........Barth saw in this a betrayal of the fundamental principle of the Reformation, which located the possibility of faith solely in God's gracious gift of the Holy Spirit.........Faith as the realization of a potential immanent in the constitution of humanity (Schleiemacher) became the leading direction in the nineteenth-century theology.."

Being able to differentiate sheds light on the primary emphasis of many movements today. "Don't just stand there do something, the ball is in your court, (faith as human potential) or patiently standing loyal in covenant with God (in sickness and in health) in expectation of his faithfulness."

The two views of what is understood as the meaning of faith can entail the whole stance of the total man before God.

Ron
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CalvinnHobbes
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   Posted 3/5/2005 10:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I definitely hear you on the dangerous import Schleirmacher threw into the mix.  From what I can see, he's certainly behind much of what has gone awry in recent theological history.  And yeah, these guys in my discussion group are big on Barth as well. 

 

And it’s interesting that you mention Wright.  This Douglas Harink I referred to, in his Paul Among the Postliberals, devotes a great deal of one particular chapter critiquing Wright’s supercession understanding of the Israel/Church relationship.  Maybe Harink is a bit of a rogue here with respect to his postliberal brothers, but I don’t really know.  I'm very new to the whole circle.

 

Enjoy your weekend!

 

Shane


"There is no fit search after truth which does not, first of all, begin to live the truth which it knows."  ~Horace Bushnell

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