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|  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/12/2005 4:31 PM (GMT -6) |   |
From the blog of Doug Pagitt... pagitt.typepad.com/Stan Grenz has diedAs hard as it is to comprehend, Stan Grenz has passed away. I have seen an official statement from the family, but my understanding it that it was a brain aneurism. He went to sleep Thursday and never awoke. He officially died at 4 AM. His wife and family are in great pain from what I have heard. Stan was not only a leader in thinking, and a great benefit to me and many of us, but he was a really good man. He really was a good man. He will be deeply missed. Brian McLaren is going to write a eulogy for and it will be on the Emergent blog. ************** I had mad respect for Dr. Grenz, as a thinker, theologian, and devout Christian believer. I pray that the Spirit continues to be an encouraging, strengthening presence with his family and friends at this time of mourning. In my opinion, Christian theology in general (and evangelicalism in particular) truly had a gift from God in Dr. Stanley Grenz. May his entrance into the arms of our Beloved God be as lovely as we imagine it to be. Dr. Grenz, for everything you've given this world, personally and professionally...thank you. Thank you. Fellow servant of the Triune God,
"I've been converted three times. The first was to traditional Christianity; the second to honesty and the third was to the Love of God and man (humanity) The third was the real conversion. The first two were preliminary."
--Nels Ferre, a theologian speaking of his spiritual journey with the Triune God
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/12/2005 4:37 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Forgive this...but I'm really feeling this for myself. Very deeply.
Let's live today.
Let's love today.
Let's remember our relationships today.
Let's forgive today.
Let's repent today.
Let's be thankful for today.
For tomorrow is not promised to any of us.
Regardless of our theologies.
Love and prayers for us all,
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 |  BBBCanada Registered Member

Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/12/2005 6:19 PM (GMT -6) |   | |
Evangelicalism and the body of Christ have lost someone special today. We (and I) are indebted to Bro. Grenz. We are better because of him. Thank you for all you have done. Thank you.
Brandon "Theology is doxology"--John G. Stackhouse quoting J.I. Packer in "Evangelical Futures: A Conversation on Theological Method" | | Back to Top | | |
 |  selah Registered Member

Date Joined Oct 2001 Total Posts : 1210 | Posted 3/12/2005 7:00 PM (GMT -6) |   | MephEternal said...Forgive this...but I'm really feeling this for myself. Very deeply. Let's live today. Let's love today. Let's remember our relationships today. Let's forgive today. Let's repent today. Let's be thankful for today. For tomorrow is not promised to any of us. Regardless of our theologies. Love and prayers for us all, 
Amen.
love to the Grenz family,
prayers for us all,
selah (thanks for posting this) 1 Corinthians 2:1-5 When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/13/2005 2:01 PM (GMT -6) |   | Three words.
Postmodern. Community. Contextualization.
Brandon "Theology is doxology"--John G. Stackhouse quoting J.I. Packer in "Evangelical Futures: A Conversation on Theological Method" | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/13/2005 3:00 PM (GMT -6) |   |
One can write condolences at Dr. Grenz's website if they so wish.
Brandon "Theology is doxology"--John G. Stackhouse quoting J.I. Packer in "Evangelical Futures: A Conversation on Theological Method" | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Ochuk Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 102 | Posted 3/15/2005 8:49 AM (GMT -6) |   | | I haven't been here in a long time, but I will post my little eulogy:
Grenz was a leading Evangelical theologian who worked tirelessly to develop a serious apologetic to our changing postmodern culture. He represented a vanishing class of Evangelical theologians who could speak and write with constant irenicism and charity that sought to not only critique but learn from the theological world around him. Few have been as aware and informed of the history of Christian thought especially of the last 100 years, and few have been as philosophically astute.
Grenz’s theological project of developing a method to shape theology in a postmodern context was as daunting as it was risky. Criticism from all sides, whether it be from conservative or liberal, was normative, only proving his point that such labels are arbitrary and politically marginalizing. Yet in the face of such hostility he made a clarion call to an “irenic spirit of generous orthodoxy” (where McLaren got his title from) that has greatly influenced this writer’s approach to engaging the surrounding world.
Grenz also had a heart of a shepherd in that he labored vigorously to theologically define true Christian community of mind and heart. In his Theology For The Community Of God, Grenz skillfully showed that God’s life with his creation is about the establishment of a loving community starting with the unity of the Trinity and ending with the unity of God’s people in the eschaton. Grenz also was a master ethicist who did the impossible by competently and charitably delineating a Christian position on the extremely controversial topic of homosexuality that is still read, instead of dismissed, by those who strongly disagree with his conclusions. He also had an incredibly helpful heart for the laity and very much wanted the average Christian to fall in love with the discipline of the theology. His co-authored work Who Needs Theology helped inspire this writer’s idea for starting a small group dedicated to studying doctrine, and was personally encouraged by him when I emailed him, thanking him for his help.
With that, I can say Stanley J. Grenz was my favorite living theologian. There are few people I read today that not only engage my mind, but resonate with my heart. I even jokingly considered once of moving to Vancouver or Texas just to study under him. It is a strange thing to mourn for a person you have never met. But this strangeness is a good thing in that it testifies to the godliness that Grenz displayed towards all who encountered him, even in the otherwise dry and dismal field of theology. He had a knack for bringing the true faith of the dead to life for open minds and humble hearts.
With that said, I leave you with his classic salutation,
Blessings!
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 |  BBBCanada Registered Member

Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/18/2005 5:40 PM (GMT -6) |   |
This has been noticed by a couple of eulogies so far. Funny thing...Dockery wasted NO TIME in what I percieved to be "theological jabs" at Grenz. Dockery seems to have no couth in my opinion. I know, they're (the Southern Baptist guardians of truth) probably looking over his shoulder, but still.
FIRST-PERSON: When piety is not enough Mar 14, 2005 By David S. Dockery
JACKSON, Tenn. (BP)--On Saturday, March 12, many of us received the unbelievable and sad news that Stanley Grenz had died suddenly as a result of a massive aneurism. To say that we were shocked would be a great understatement.
Born in January 1950, Dr. Grenz was only 55. Yet in those 55 years Stan had given dozens of lectureships and had authored more than 25 books and hundreds of articles and chapters. He may well have been the most prolific Baptist author of the past 15 years.
Grenz had spoken at many of our Baptist universities and seminaries. I first met him 17 years ago at a conference on “Southern Baptists and Evangelicalism” at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. We immediately found that we had much in common and developed a healthy friendship. In words similar to my own, Stan considered himself both “a Baptist and an evangelical” (in that order). He was the son of a Conservative Baptist pastor and a graduate of Conservative Baptist Seminary (now Denver Seminary). His shaping influences included Francis Schaeffer, Vernon Grounds, Gordon Lewis and Kenneth Kantzer. I, too, admired these great evangelical leaders and thinkers and had learned much from them.
Stan’s interests were wide-ranging as evidenced by his writings. His early work in Baptist history and theology can best be seen in his outstanding volume on Isaac Backus (1983). His 1985 publication on Baptist congregationalism still remains a significant resource for anyone dealing with issues of Baptist polity. The first volume he published on ethics in 1990 was insightful. His coauthored reference work exploring 20th-century theology and theologians in 1992 has served as a most helpful tool for students for many years. His book “Millennial Maze” (1992) has helped pastors, students and laypersons sort out eschatological issues. These volumes written over a decade (1983-93) could be called the “early Grenz,” truly a Baptist and evangelical thinker of note.
But then came the turn in his thinking in 1993 with the volume “Revisioning Evangelical Theology.” I had a hint of what was coming, for months earlier he had read “The Doctrine of the Bible,” a book I had written for the SBC doctrine study in 1992. His response was, “I can’t say it like that anymore.” He said the same thing more forcefully to me with the publication of my book “Christian scripture” (1995).
My initial response to his “revisioning” project was hopeful. I thought he was calling for a renewed emphasis on piety to balance what some called the “evangelical rationalism” of those like Carl Henry and Kenneth Kantzer. But anyone who knew Drs. Henry and Kantzer also recognized that they were men of deep and authentic piety. Nevertheless, I thought Grenz’s call for a renewal of genuine piety was good, but upon further reflection I had missed the point.
My good friend, Al Mohler, suggested that Grenz’s new paradigm was just not a call to balance heart and head, but a call to define evangelicalism almost totally in light of a commitment to piety, thus decreasing an emphasis on doctrinal parameters. Looking back, Dr. Mohler was quite insightful. A few years after the publication of Revisioning, Grenz began to refer to himself as “a pietist with a Ph.D.” Certainly there is something distinctive about evangelical piety. We all “know it” when we encounter it. So Grenz was not entirely wrong to so characterize the evangelical movement, but to do it in a manner that questioned traditional evangelical doctrine raised problems for many.
In 1994 Grenz published his large one-volume theology called “Theology for the Community of God” (the first edition was published by Broadman & Holman and the second edition by Eerdmans). It was here that we began to see the initial shape of the revisioning project that would continue for another decade.
Obviously there isn’t space to review this volume completely, but only to say three important things. First, Grenz elevated the love of God over all other attributes of God to such a degree that God’s holiness was completely de-emphasized. God’s love was almost personalized, thus becoming a fourth member of the Trinity. The implications for the doctrine of God and the atonement are obvious. Second, in his attempt to elevate the church and the community over the “individualistic” approach to salvation and the Christian life in prior evangelical theologies, Grenz seemingly lost the Bible’s emphasis on the need for individual response and accountability. Thirdly, Grenz de-emphasized the doctrine of scripture, moving it from a foundational place in the development of his theology to what seemed to be a footnote to the doctrine of the Holy Spirit. These three key shifts started Grenz’s pilgrimage in a direction that many traditional evangelicals were unable to support.
Grenz’s fascination with postmodernism became evident with his “Primer” (1996) and his “Created for Community” published the same year. Most would agree that Stan’s description of postmodernism was as clear, cogent and helpful as any that could be found. It was his analysis and resulting proposals that created confusion.
Soon he was suggesting that theology could be done in a way that he described as “beyond foundationalism” (2001). To do so and still continue to call himself an evangelical, he attempted to redefine the evangelical center in his 2000 publication, “Renewing the Center.” To do so, he had to shift Carl Henry and Millard Erickson from the center to the far right. These unprecedented shifts elevated Grenz’s proposals on most everyone’s radar screen. Al Mohler described this proposal as a “center without a circumference.” Millard Erickson noted that “it does not yet appear that [Grenz and others] have moved so far as to surrender the right to be called evangelicals, but such movement cannot be unlimited.” D.A. Carson went so far as to say “with the best will in the world, I cannot see how Grenz’s approach can be called ‘evangelical’ in any useful sense.”
Certainly that would be the case with his final two works: “The Social God and the Relational Self” (2001) and “Rediscovering the Triune God.” His influence was such, however, that Justin Taylor in the recently released “Reclaiming the Center” (2004) described Grenz as the theologian of the “emerging church movement,” with Brian McLaren as the movement’s pastor. This movement reflects the loss of the epistemological centrality of the Bible evident in Stan’s more recent work.
about five years ago Stan and I shared the plenary address platform at the Wheaton Theology Conference. At dinner that night I shared my concerns with him privately about the direction of his work. I noted that two Baptist giants a century earlier had attempted to respond to and engage the currents of their day and had made concessions along the way that they both sought to recover at the end of their lives: E.Y. Mullins in his engagement with Schleiermacher’s understanding of Christian experience and A.H. Strong’s earnest attempts to wrestle with issues of historiography. I encouraged him to follow their turn.
We had a similar conversation in 2002 on the Union University campus when he gave a presentation about his own pilgrimage titled, “A Pietist with a Ph.D.” He was not receptive to my suggestions on either occasion. At that time it was quite clear that he could no longer consider me a “kindred spirit” (nor I, him) as he had described our relationship in the dedication of the theology book in 1994. But the reality is we both knew that such had been the case for a decade. I was a “kindred spirit” of the “early Grenz” but not the Grenz since the beginning of the revisioning project. Since his trip to Union in 2002 our communication has been quite minimal.
Today, I, like many others in the Baptist and evangelical world, find myself in shock. It is hard to believe that Stan Grenz is no longer with us. Stan was a good friend to me and to many others across Baptist life. He was a devoted family man and one who sought to be kind in all of his personal interactions. We all admired his prolific pen and his tireless work ethic. Stan Grenz was a committed Baptist, a churchman of the first order and a warmhearted pietist.
Unfortunately, his pietism didn’t translate into evangelical coherence or orthodox consistency. I will miss Stan Grenz, but I have learned from him one thing for sure: Piety is not enough in and of itself to carry forth doctrinal conviction and the great Christian intellectual tradition. As Baptists we are sometimes confused with talk about separating the heart from the head, piety from doctrine and programs from theology. Yet, to be both Baptist and evangelical calls for us to reconnect the head with the heart, piety with orthodoxy, and cultural engagement with faithful churchmanship. Southern Baptists need to recover their biblical earnestness and seriousness about doing good theology. We need to prove to ourselves and to others that orthodoxy and piety can go together once again. That is the challenge of our time. As attractive as it might seem, piety alone is not enough. --30-- David S. Dockery is president of Union University in Jackson, Tenn.
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/22/2005 2:10 PM (GMT -6) |   | |
Memorial Service here:
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