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Sahid
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   Posted 5/12/2005 7:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What do you guys think of that?


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AtTheWell
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   Posted 5/13/2005 11:08 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As probably the least qualified person to answer this, here's my 2cents anyway...

NIV translates: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I the Lord, do all these things"

God is the originator of all, he isn't denying it, he created the dimension, set up the parameters, gave the free will from which good and disaster and calamity can be a result...

too simple?
What do you think?

Also,
New Century translates: "I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause troubles. I, the Lord, do all these things."
Cause troubles-- hmmm-- More like the peace and the troubles that come because we follow God--

Can anyone enlighten me on the translation?


Peace,
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JEE
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   Posted 5/13/2005 1:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If memory serves, some translations render "evil" here as "calamity" or "woe," which only causes a problem if we assume it would be wrong for God to chastise his children when they rebel, and even in some cases execute the death penalty upon their heads. In context, Isaiah does seem to be referring to TEMPORAL judgment upon Israel for her willfully rebellious ways.


May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.


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   Posted 5/13/2005 1:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Isaiah 45:5-7 (NRSV) 
    I am the Lord, and there is no other;
        besides me there is no god.
        I arm you, though you do not know me, 
    so that they may know, from the rising of the sun
        and from the west, that there is no one besides me;
        I am the Lord, and there is no other. 
    I form light and create darkness,
        I make weal and create woe;
        I the Lord do all these things.

This verse (45:7) is God’s statement that dispels Dualism.  Dualism is exemplified in the Manichaean religion claiming independent and opposing principles of good and evil.

 

There is no evil god opposing God. Shut the light off and you are left with darkness. Darkness is not an entity of its own, darkness is simply the privation of light.  Likewise, evil is the privation of good.

 

Shalom

 

Mark


Post Edited (sparknheart) : 5/13/2005 2:29:39 PM (GMT-5)

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   Posted 6/10/2005 3:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello, My name is Fictitious.
 
Ill-light: The Illuminauti-Those occultic, yet very visable institutions, and their eager and willing workers, who have made their entire livelihood, into turning a bad situation, into a catastrophic situation.
 
The darkness represents, many things:
1.The blue blood, turns to red blood, then when completely dried out, becomes black.
2.The juste and proper law of righteousness-turned its head(properly authorized authority, and moral and upright jurisdiction) away from the true and everlastingly whole and healing spirit of the Christ-unto the stench and deathly sickness of the Priory of Scionasticaism, and the moste deviant depths and sorrows of evilness brought forth due to the effects of continual slavery, poverty, illness, and lustful exploitation.
3.The horrifying terror and fear poured out upon an individual, family or nation, due to the perverse, immoral, explicitly pornagraphic, slanderous, identity robbing, plunderous, murderous and deeply(dark and occultic)setonistic star wars satelite systems.
 
Peace: The unstinted comfort, filthy lucre, and occultic peace, that is the continuing mission of those vicious criminals, who continue to resurrect, and re-resurrect The Priory of Scionasticaism, the various Mafia organizations, set up for the occultic purpose of deliberatelly Marketing and Manufacturing all manner, type, form, and species of deadly and poisonous instuments, deviantly designed to encourage(tempt)all manner of the moste discusting sets, places and establishements for horrendous immorality, perversion, torture, and criminal activity, throughout the entire criminal world.
 
Mafioso: Anyone individual, or group of individuals, who are the knowing, eager, and willing doers and servers of the occultic horror houses, churches, charities, acting guilds, hospitality programs, educational facilites, experimental and governmental schemes and productions, bar associations, embanking houses and temples,fabrication plants,technology facilities, computer and space stations, war houses etc. throughout the entire criminal world.
 
All manner of trouble: Printing presses, and coinage factories, used to mint, copy and print all manner of counter fit devices, counterfit newsprint, counterfit scriptures, counterfit manuscripts, counterfit manuals and books, counterfit perscriptions, counterfit currency, and all manner of counterfit schemes. These things always add karosine to the trouble and woes of those already in desperate situations, causing still more chaos,confusion, contention, strife, warfare, poverty, injury, abuse, sickness, brutality, grief, sorrow, suffering, despair, pain, and the deepest desire for a quickened release/expiration/death.
 
I/we the Lord/Master, means: The Mafioso architect, embankment builder, pilot, engineer, director, advisor, administrator, lord, legislature, governor, president, king, judge, priest, bishop, teacher, master, father, mother,(not genuine, sincere and natural) or whatever the title for the moment that these moste criminally evil individuals presume to entitle and appoint themselves, in order that they may continue to pre-plan, pre-meditate, pre-order,pre- arrange,pre-judge and finally, privatelly, openly, and publically commit all manner  of the moste horrible atrocities, that continue to plague a world, whose people seem to fall deeper and deeper, into the continually regenerated and ressurected dark hole of thieving and pirating con games, overt fraud, deceit, and outright deception, due to the strenth and strong hold of The Occultic Priory of Scionasticaism, and The Schematical Perversion and Psycho Dramas of Solvietized Block Estates, and their Enrapturing Rings of Organized Mafia, and the Mafiso who are the Eager Lovers, and Servers, of this moste deviant, exploitational, and enslaving, Satanistic Evil. 
 
I hope this is helpful.
 
   


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Fictitious
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   Posted 6/12/2005 12:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The darkness, starts out, dressed, robed, veiled, conceiled in white(template lots, platelets, of all form, shape, and size, multi-dimentional satelite dishes), then as the evil, takes hold and progresses, it evolves ,taking on all of the various set tones, hues, dyes, and color, through the palest gray, into the darkest black, lost in a milky way, trapped in a tunnel of a black hole.(Old, dead, and forgotten template lots, platelets, matter, and satelite star war dishes).

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