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One Love
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| Posted 8/23/2005 10:10 AM (GMT -6) |   | Love the quote. Here's a little known quote from SK. A mutual friend of ours found it while perusing SK's post-humous journal notes (Remember that SK conference y'all went to, Selah?)
Journal note from 1854, Soren Kierkegaard
"But I do not pretend to be better than others. What the old bishop said about me--that I talked as if everybody else was on the road to hell--is simply not true. No, if anyone wants to be able to say that I talk about going to hell, then I talk like this--'If the rest are all going to hell, then I am going along.' This is the way I speak if anyone is able to say in any sense that I talk about going to hell. But I do not believe it. On the contrary, I believe that we will all be saved--and I, too--something which arouses my deepest wonder."
Heh. Go figure.
Great minds think alike. 
To all heresy-hunters and general lames...
"I'm connected nationwide, but from the South...
Respect game, and keep my name outcha mouth!"
--adapted from T.I. From P$C's "I'm a King"
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selah
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| Posted 8/23/2005 12:48 PM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 8/24/2005 4:14 AM (GMT -6) | | Hey, selah. I'm interested on your thoughts on SK's 1854 journal quote I posted. I know that you dig his thought VERY, VERY much. And the quote is pretty self-explanatory...even without being very long.
Is it POSSIBLE that SK's vision of God being such unimaginable, pervasive, eternal love lead SK to the conclusion of universalism?
Is it POSSIBLE that SK was so entranced with the vision of God's love in Christ that he reasoned that if he could be saved, and THAT was a "wonder", that surely God would find a way to save ALL??
Is it even POSSIBLE?
Nah, SK was way too biblically informed and brilliant a theological writer to believe such a thing...riiiight?
Yeah...
To all heresy-hunters and general lames...
"I'm connected nationwide, but from the South...
Respect game, and keep my name outcha mouth!"
--adapted from T.I. From P$C's "I'm a King"
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One Love
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| Posted 8/24/2005 7:37 AM (GMT -6) | | Corey:
My gut hunch is that it won't. SK's main concern was to be a corrective to his context and culture, one in which it was too EASY to consider yourself a Christian. Any statements about universalism would have been so easily misunderstood and distract from his main objective. So even if he held this view personally, I think he would have kept it to himself... in his journals only.
Good hunch, man. I'd assume the same. The quote I put came in 1854, around a year before he died. And from what I understand, in the last coupla years of his life, he really let some stuff loose in his journals!
There's a REALLY cool site that I use to help me with SK. Check it out and see what you think. This person obviously put a LOT of work into this site...
D. Anthony Storm's Commentary on Kierkegaard
sorenkierkegaard.org/
To all heresy-hunters and general lames...
"I'm connected nationwide, but from the South...
Respect game, and keep my name outcha mouth!"
--adapted from T.I. From P$C's "I'm a King"
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selah
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| Posted 8/25/2005 3:29 PM (GMT -6) | | Purity of heart: it is a figure of speech that compares the heart to the sea,
and why just is this? Simply for the reason that the depth of the sea determines
its purity and its purity determines its transparency. On this account we
compare the heart with the sea, because the purity of the sea lies in this
consistency in depth and transparency. No storm may perturb it; no sudden gust
of wind may stir its surface, no drowsy fog may sprawl out over it; no doubtful
movement may stir within it; rather it must lie calm, transparent to its depths.
- Purity of Heart is to Will One Thing, P.176
...couldn't help myself!
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Corey
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| Posted 2/20/2007 9:04 AM (GMT -6) | | |
Corey (a long time ago): I'll definitely be watching as we read together through his published works over the next five years if a universalism theme will appear.
Corey (today): I think our SK reading last night had strong implications of universalism. We're in Eighteen Upbuilding Discourses, and in the discourses titled, To Preserve One's Soul in Patience and Patience is Expectancy. Here's a rough summary:
- Life is uncertain.
- Death is certain, the eternal is certain.
- The only thing worth preserving is one's soul.
- Anxiety results from the possibility of losing one's soul, especially if it can be lost for eternity.
- The means to preserving one's soul is patience.
- Patience recognizes and aligns with the eternal in the moment.
- Patience is grounded in certainty.
- Impatience is grounded in "maybe".
- God is the goal of our soul.
- Patience is a product of believing "It must happen" (p217)
Okay, my own thoughts, putting it together: If it is possible that we can eternally lose our souls, patience is impossible. The only reasonable response is maximal anxiety and impatience. (I've heard many talks over the years by evangelists to this point.) But Patience is a fruit of the Spirit, a product of the certain, a conviction of the unseen, a synonym for faith. If God intends my patience, it must be certain that my soul (or the souls of my loved ones) cannot be eternally lost.
The resurrection established the certainty that death cannot prevail. God is more certain, more final, than death. I existentially NEED to believe that death is not the end; I cannot live in patience, as God intends, knowing that some souls may be eternally lost. I believe ultimate reconciliation of all souls must happen. Post Edited (Corey) : 2/20/2007 8:31:56 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 2/20/2007 9:47 AM (GMT -6) | | Corey,
Brilliant thinking, bro.
Love it.
Everything seems to be pointing in the same direction now, doesn't it?
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 2/21/2007 12:04 PM (GMT -6) | | Corey:
God is more certain, more final, than death.
That's right...because Truth is ALWAYS more certain than Privation.
Death is an ILLUSION.
Woven by the Master Illusionist.
Usurped by an Insane Mastermind.
Removed by the Master of All Reality.
Yep.
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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