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BBBCanada
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   Posted 8/23/2005 9:53 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuela's president
 
 


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AtTheWell
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   Posted 8/23/2005 9:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How disappointing. Sad.


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Sahid
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   Posted 8/23/2005 9:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, Chavez is no hero, but assassination? When, if ever, do you guys think it is right to kill?


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JEE
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   Posted 8/24/2005 3:23 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
BBBCanada said...
Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuela's president
 
 

Looks as if Robertson's waffling on the "assasination" bit in today's news. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050824/pl_nm/venezuela_robertson_dc
 
Some things are better left unsaid. What an idiotic thing to say, even if it's how he truly felt.


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AtTheWell
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   Posted 8/26/2005 12:25 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I saw a bumper sticker the other day, it went something like this: When Jesus said "love your enemies", I think that meant don't kill them.

Whaddya think?


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Dragon Chaser
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   Posted 8/26/2005 10:23 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good example of situational ethics. I’m sure the day before, Pat Robertson was preaching thou shalt not kill. Pat Robertson is known for his divine prophesies, also. For instance, the reason why Florida gets hit with such tremendous hurricanes is because of the U.S. government foreign policy messing with Israel. Further more, I believe it was him that said the reason why Al-Quida blew up the WTC with jetliners is because of the freedoms of homosexuals in this country. Do the things that he proclaims hold any weight? To me NO, but he seems to have a large audience that eats his spiel, hook, line, and sinker. Televangelism is a huge money making machine and the more outrageous the theatrics the more appealing it is to some people that supply the funds to these guys. It’s an entertainment business, simple as that, in my opinion. Send me a hundred dollars and God will give you one thousand! Now that’s salesmanship. What if God doesn’t fulfill his end of the bargain? Are you going to take him to court? One of God’s laws is to donate ten percent of your wages to him, so these guys decided to jump on the gravy train. But anyways, it’s a free country, and there are no laws saying you can’t make a circus out of a faith. I’d bet even the ACLU would stand by that one.

I was wondering about ethics and commands, too. Is there a time where common sense would prevail? I believe in love thy neighbor and thou shalt not kill. But, what if you had a bothersome neighbor with a rabid dog. One day this dog decided to jump the fence and bite my child, and I shot it dead. Should I be excommunicated for that, even if I did it out of love of my child?

Another scenario would be this. Even though this wouldn’t be the best profession for a Christian but what if I was a sniper for the FBI. And one day I was put into a position to shoot a terrorist that had an electronic detonator for a bomb that was planted in an orphanage. The terrorist was going to detonate the bomb in five seconds and there was no other way to save the children except for putting a bullet between the terrorist’s eyes. Even though it would be breaking a commandment, doesn’t it seem more ethical to send this terrorist to Heaven, who is eagerly anticipating his promised 72 virgins anyways, or watch a bunch of orphans die? Would you pray for God to send an angle to defuse the bomb? Remember you only have 5 seconds. Would you pull the trigger and hope for the best? What would you do?


 

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Sahid
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   Posted 8/27/2005 1:14 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What would You Do? by Yoder needs to be required reading.


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Dragon Chaser
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   Posted 8/28/2005 4:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey Sahid,

Is there a transcript of this book online? I could use a more ‘liberal’ perspective on this, for I usually take a more conservative stance on things.


 

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Sahid
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   Posted 8/29/2005 3:15 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Heh heh. Ok, we'll call Yoder a liberal. I don't think it's online. I read a library copy. He's actually very conservative, biblically speaking, so you might be disappointed. He slowly wades through the misconceptions, then lets other non-violent advocates' make their own case, and then he gives true story examples of effective non-violence. I think it might be best to read it out of order.

The example of the FBI sharpshooter and the bomb and the ophanage do a good job illustrating just how far-fetched a scenario we must create to "discredit" non-violence. And even then, the illustration only works if we assume ends justify means (and we must assume it, because there is no good biblical or logical case to believe it (as it is commonly understood)).


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