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Which heritage describes how you primarily self-identify?
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Asian-American (Japanese-American, Filipino-American, Chinese-American, Asian Indian, etc) - 0.0%
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Native-American (American Indian, Alaska Native, etc) - 0.0%
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African-American or Black American - 20.0%
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Spanish/Hispanic/Latino (Mexican-American, Puerto Rican, Cuban-American, Chicano, etc.) - 0.0%
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Any non-Anglo ethnicities - 80.0%

 
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One Love
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   Posted 9/5/2005 10:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This may seem like a wierd question to some, but...

Is anyone else who participates on this board in any way an American "person of color" besides me? Meaning a person who is not Anglo-American/Caucasian who primarily self-identifies as having one of these heritages...

Asian-American (Japanese-American, Filipino-American, Chinese-American, Asian Indian, etc)

Native-American

African-American

Spanish/Hispanic/Latino (Mexican-American, Puerto Rican, Cuban-American, Chicano, etc.)


I understand that this question may seem dehumanizing when placed in censuses and such. No one likes to be placed in a box. We all understand that human beings are not easily put into categories, nor are all categories even helpful. My intent is not to dehumanize or compartmentalize people at all. So, I apologize if this question is seen as in any way offensive. To be honest, I was just curious about the ethnic diversity of our board here. I know that we have some people here from different countries and divergent theological positions...and that's cool. I suppose I was just wondering about this board's ethnic diversity, particularly from an American context.

So answer the poll if you feel like it. If not, it's cool.

Thanks,
devil

Post Edited (MephEternal) : 9/5/2005 11:03:28 PM (GMT-5)

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Corey
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   Posted 9/6/2005 6:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I still don't think of myself primarily in ethnic terms, even though I've been SERIOUSLY studying to try to see it, as you personally know. Since none of your categories describe my SELF-identity, I guess I'm a non-entity in regards to this poll.


 

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One Love
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   Posted 9/6/2005 8:51 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Man, I should have saw something like this coming. Not being funny or anything. It just happens...and for understandable reasons. Corey, if you are reading the Beverly Tatum book and you haven't gotten here yet, I'd love for you to skip ahead a bit. If you have gotten past this point, perhaps reflect again on this section.  This is LITERALLY the name of the part and chapter...

Part III: Understanding Whiteness in a White Context
Chapter 6: The Development of White Identity: "I'm not ethnic, I'm just normal."


This chapter goes a LONG WAY into delving into the enigma you are addressing. By the way, I can't tell you how I admire and appreciate your work in gaining more information about all this.  Kudos, man.

Thanks,
devil


To all heresy-hunters and general lames...
 
"I'm connected nationwide, but from the South...
Respect game, and keep my name outcha mouth!"
       --adapted from T.I. From P$C's "I'm a King"
 

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One Love
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   Posted 9/6/2005 8:56 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, it seems that we have a significant amount of non-Anglo-American/Caucasian persons who participate here. Cool. We'll see about any other representation. Good stuff.


To all heresy-hunters and general lames...
 
"I'm connected nationwide, but from the South...
Respect game, and keep my name outcha mouth!"
       --adapted from T.I. From P$C's "I'm a King"
 

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AtTheWell
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   Posted 9/6/2005 9:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm with Corey. In terms of my own ethnic identity, I'm still STUCK, for the most part, in my "color-blind"/we're EACH different due to personal experience, mode. I don't answer the question on forms, etc... What is up with that? My heritage? Pretty mixed, mostly anglo-american/caucasion, but not totally... so do I classify myself with the group that my outer appearance reveals? because that is how others react to me and thus the culture that most influences me?


Peace,
ATW

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AtTheWell
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   Posted 9/6/2005 10:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Umm, Corey, can I borrow that book when you're finished reading it?


Peace,
ATW

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Corey
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   Posted 9/6/2005 10:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sure. I haven't gotten to that section yet, but I'm guessing that it will be pretty much along the lines that we saw in the movie, "The Color of Fear".

I'm frustrated, and actually experiencing a bit of what I will call backlash for lack of a better term.

Should I just embrace my male-white-conservative-upper-middle-class-college-educated-white-collared-professional "ness" and say, "Screw it. That's just who I am!" Well, it's not.

If so, I'm gonna just go buy that BMW that my peers all drive.  Seriously... this is feeling like it leads to something like the caste system we see India.  They're all embracing their identities, aren't they?

It's my primary identity in Christ that answers these questions.  I give much more to charity than I do to car payments because I'm a Kingdom person.  That's my identity more than anything else. 

I'm literally feeling hot under my collar right now.  I need to go running or boxing or something.

Post Edited (Corey) : 9/6/2005 11:43:18 AM (GMT-5)

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Corey
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   Posted 9/6/2005 12:33 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
P.S. I'm not saying, "I'm not ethnic, I'm just normal." Being Kingdom is as far from normal as you can get.  I'm WAY minority in the ways that matter most.
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AtTheWell
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   Posted 9/6/2005 2:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey,
I'm not sure if that P.S. is for me or for Meph, but be assured that I know you are as far from normal as you can get! ;-)

I mean that in a good way!


Peace,
ATW

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   Posted 9/6/2005 7:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Checking in as human here...

Starkman


My teacher used to say that whenever he read Scripture, he would always ask the question, "What does this have to say about the character of God?"  Working off his thinking, as I read Scripture, I have come to ask, "What does this have to say about the heart and passion of God's desire for relationship for us?

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One Love
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   Posted 9/7/2005 7:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For those interested in the book I've been talking about...

"Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together In The Cafeteria? And Other Conversations about Race: A Psychologist Explains the Development of Racial Identity" by Beverly Tatum.



www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465083617/qid=1122843614/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0145387-6151967?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


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Corey,

I'm sorry for the amount of "backlash" that you're feeling. Emotional dissonance sucks. Hey, if you have a chance, I would love to know what you essentially thought of the "Color of Fear" movie. It seems that it has seriously stimulated you.

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Starkman:
Checking in as human here...

Hmmm...you have no ethnic heritage at all? You have no main lineage that goes back to a certain place? Irish? Scottish? English? Germanic? Nothing?


To all heresy-hunters and general lames...
 
"I'm connected nationwide, but from the South...
Respect game, and keep my name outcha mouth!"
       --adapted from T.I. From P$C's "I'm a King"
 

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Starkman
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   Posted 9/7/2005 3:21 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, I'm told I'm English, Irish, Dutch, German, Scottish, some Cherokee and maybe some Jewish. Looking at me, though, I'm sure some Frankenstein got in there too!

It was either Paul Newman, or someone along the same lines, who, when filling out an application for something and answering the "Race" question, put "Human." Stuck with me all these years.

Starkman


My teacher used to say that whenever he read Scripture, he would always ask the question, "What does this have to say about the character of God?"  Working off his thinking, as I read Scripture, I have come to ask, "What does this have to say about the heart and passion of God's desire for relationship for us?

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   Posted 9/7/2005 4:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

My heritage you ask?  It’s a backwards approach compared to your typical genealogy method.  See, I start with Adam and Eve and work the other direction.   

 
 
Brother,
 
Mark


Contradictions if well understood and managed can spark off the fires of invention. Orthodoxy whether of the right or of the left is the graveyard of creativity.

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Corey
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   Posted 9/9/2005 8:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Meph: I would love to know what you essentially thought of the "Color of Fear" movie
 
This is such a complex topic that I don't know how to engage it but I'll sum it up as this: insightful but inconsistent.  Honestly, Meph, I would think you would be the first to detect this.  While protesting angrily that the white farmer was invalidating them, they were themselves invalidating him.  There's a lot more that I'm thinking around this that I just don't know how to unpack.
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