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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 12/5/2005 12:01 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I teach at a Catholic school (yippy), and so naturally there is enthusiasm for what Peter Kreeft says relating Christ's roles of prophet, priest and king to Gandalf, Frodo, and Aragorn (and also to Kirk, Spock and Bones).
 
Here's where an article can be found.
 
 
Anyone here like the movie?
 
Plan to see Lewis'?
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   Posted 12/5/2005 1:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
rj1 said...
I teach at a Catholic school (yippy), and so naturally there is enthusiasm for what Peter Kreeft says relating Christ's roles of prophet, priest and king to Gandalf, Frodo, and Aragorn (and also to Kirk, Spock and Bones).
 
Here's where an article can be found.
 
 
Anyone here like the movie?
 
Plan to see Lewis'?
 
 

Hello rj1,

Welcome to the board.  Interesting article by Kreeft, it’s true, much myth became fact in Christ.

 

So anyways, what led you to this site?   What’s your perspective of the following quote “He could have used the philosophy of Sauron, of the Ring. He could have used force and compelled Gollum, or even justly killed him. But no one can make another person good by controlling his will, not even God. Frodo nearly won Gollum by his kindness, but Gollum chose not to trust and lost both his body and his soul. Frodo failed.”

 

 

 I love C.S. Lewis books and look forward to taking the family to see Narnia.

 


Contradictions if well understood and managed can spark off the fires of invention. Orthodoxy whether of the right or of the left is the graveyard of creativity.

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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 12/5/2005 2:25 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Quote: “He could have...compelled Gollum...controlling his will. . . Frodo nearly won Gollum by his kindness. . . Gollum chose not to trust. . . Frodo failed.

Response with two parts: First, it would be evil to actually control. (Loving/trusting is not control, but is influence on what if not "bent" would be naturally responsive.) Second, though Frodo lost, Gollum did not defeat him. Suffering and self giving are "weapons" that cannot be defended against. In the end the martyr wins. Maybe two-and-a-half is that Frodo's loss is like God's, and the martyrs like Christ's. But it is glory in suffering. The Cross is the ultimate glorification of Christ. And taking up our cross in His likeness is our participation in his victory.


BTW - Wheaton College HAS the real wardrobe. I knocked on the back wall of it and its solid. But who knows. (Jack and his brother used to sit in his uncle's wardrobe and tell stories to each other!)
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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 12/5/2005 4:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here's a webpage with two (2) mp3 presentations by Kreeft on Tolkien:

http://www.maclaurin.org/mp3s.php
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   Posted 12/7/2005 9:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I listened to this one last night: Tolkien's Worldview: How the Greatest Book of the Century is a Religious Book.
It would have been nice to have found this a couple years ago when I was reflecting on the movie with a friend of mine.
 
This lecture helped me better appreciate how Tolkien was taking an incarnational approach rather than the overtly analogical approach that Lewis uses in his story.  Kreeft explained well how the 12 clauses of the Nicene creed can be found under the surface in the Tolkien trilogy.
 
One interesting section in the lecture (at about 45 minutes into it) contrasts Christ with Vampires.  I was reminded of the conversation we had with Violin while she was in town... her dad's a literature professor (I think) and he's really into this topic.
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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 12/10/2005 9:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey, glad to learn you enjoyed it.

The page is http://www.maclaurin.org/mp3s.php and another, shorter talk with an interesting organization (10 Uncommon Insights about Evil in the Lord of the Rings) is at
http://maclaurin.org/mp3s/maclaurin_institute__copyright_20032.mp3

Of further uniqueness is the interesting way he condenses the CREED and matches that to the Lord of the Rings.

Worth an additional listen!

(Free to download and make Christmas CDs for friends...)

rj1
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