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|  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 12/11/2005 7:46 AM (GMT -6) |   | | Son-number-two saw Lewis' story on the biggest screen in town.
Haven't get the debriefing yet. Looking foreward to hearing what he has to say. Heart and mind.
Anyone seen it yet, and have something to share?
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Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 1544 | Posted 12/11/2005 11:11 AM (GMT -6) |   |
The movie is excellent. Children both young and old, will have their hearts moved. The Gospel story is broken down to the pure essentials. It drives home the importance of the basic building blocks needed for all Christian's faith.
Even thou I love them, LOTR is actually too deep and dark in some respects. Narnia is for everyone with a heart. Just like Jesus shined in the Gospels whenever he was around children, this move does the same. My kids loved it. So grab your love ones and get down to your local theater and enjoy. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 12/11/2005 6:27 PM (GMT -6) |   | Hope to see it soon too.
Tell me what you think, Corey.
I will ALWAYS remember years back when son-#2 asked of the communion table up front in church "What is that." I asked him if he remembered the Stone Table (I figure its a combination of Cross and Eucharist.) in TLTWATWR. He said yes. And I explained.
He wanted to go up right then, because he loved Jesus. (We had to politic the church ofr two years.)
That story will always have a strong place in my heart.
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Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 1544 | Posted 12/13/2005 8:48 PM (GMT -6) |   |
PotOnWheel said... I asked him if he remembered the Stone Table (I figure its a combination of Cross and Eucharist.) in TLTWATWR.
What does the stone table represent, more specifically, were in scripture can we find the laws/rules that were broken with the sacrificing of the innocent?
Contradictions if well understood and managed can spark off the fires of invention. Orthodoxy whether of the right or of the left is the graveyard of creativity. | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 1544 | Posted 12/13/2005 9:06 PM (GMT -6) |   | |
If God is obligated by some kind of covenant with satan in regards to fair play, then would similar rules hold true for those held captive in hell.
Contradictions if well understood and managed can spark off the fires of invention. Orthodoxy whether of the right or of the left is the graveyard of creativity. Post Edited (sparknheart) : 12/13/2005 8:21:46 PM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 12/13/2005 9:32 PM (GMT -6) |   | |
sparknheart said...What does the stone table represent, more specifically, were in scripture can we find the laws/rules that were broken with the sacrificing of the innocent?
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PoW:
stine's analogy of a mousetrap. More influencial in the West...
In the East, Gregory Nyssa's illustration of a baited hook. Just a sermon model -- not serious.
And Gregory Nazianzas "REPUTIATED" the very idea that God uses trickery, at all!!!
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But those are just analogies. And Lewis' is just a story.
Kreeft points out that Lewis' story is NOT a strict allegory -- meaning...that not everything represents just one thing.
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The "innocent victom....death works backwards is not a part I completely like. But its a story.
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sparknheart said... If God is obligated by some kind of covenant with satan in regards to fair play, then would similar rules hold true for those held captive in hell.
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PoW:
But -- as I hear Kreeft's take -- in Narnia there is a "deeper" or older magic (don't make too mechanical an annalogy).
I'd suggest that there is NO "obligation" on God. But the "deeper/older" magic is God's will.
I get red flags on the idea of something being bigger than God.
(I didn't get the idea of captives having fair-play rules.)
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In our real world, Christ took our fallen/mortal humanity and in his death and resurrection healed it.
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Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 1544 | Posted 12/13/2005 10:16 PM (GMT -6) |   |
PotOnWheel said...
stine's analogy of a mousetrap. More influencial in the West...
In the East, Gregory Nyssa's illustration of a baited hook. Just a sermon model -- not serious.
And Gregory Nazianzas "EPUTIATED" the very idea that God uses trickery, at all!!!
If Jesus was the Mouse Bait, and the Cross was the trap, then it would appear that God was victorious in this cat and mouse game. If there are winners and losers then there must be some rules to the game. It's the notion of rules that I'm interested in. Are there some universal laws that govern spiritual warfare?
On The Victory Over Death/Sin/Devil) "The devil was conquered by his own trophy of victory. The devil jumped for joy, when he seduced the first man and cast him down to death. By seducing the first man, he slew him; by slaying the last man, he lost the first from his snare. The victory of our Lord Jesus Christ came when he rose, and ascended into heaven; then was fulfilled what you have heard when the Apocalypse was being read, ‘The Lion of the tribe of Judah has won the day’ [Rev. 5:5]. . . . The devil jumped for joy when Christ died; and by the very death of Christ the devil was overcome: he took, as it were, the bait in the mousetrap. He rejoiced at the death, thinking himself death’s commander. But that which caused his joy dangled the bait before him. The Lord’s cross was the devil’s mousetrap: the bait which caught him was the death of the Lord." (St. Augustine, Sermons, 261)
Contradictions if well understood and managed can spark off the fires of invention. Orthodoxy whether of the right or of the left is the graveyard of creativity. Post Edited (sparknheart) : 12/13/2005 10:30:47 PM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 12/13/2005 10:39 PM (GMT -6) |   | S: In Jesus was the Mouse, and the Cross was the trap...
P: In Augustine's analogy: The Trap was the Cross and the BAIT was Christ. The Mouse would be the devil.
======================================== S: It's the notion of rules that I'm interested in. Are there some universal laws that govern spiritual warfare?
P: First, that tendency tends to make something bigger than God. Watch out; I'd recommend! Second, really, really watchout for wanting to find rules for the spirit world. Really--danger! | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 1544 | Posted 12/13/2005 11:49 PM (GMT -6) |   |
PotOnWheel said... P: In Augustine's analogy: The Trap was the Cross and the BAIT was Christ. The Mouse would be the devil.
My bad, of course Jesus was the big cheese.
The mouse is the devil.
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  |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 12/31/2005 11:07 AM (GMT -6) |   | A review:
http://www.lookingcloser.org/movie%20reviews/A-G/chroniclesofnarnia-lionwitchwardrobe.htm
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Then this from a listserve, made sense:
For me, the feel of the book was not that of a big, magical world, but something more intimate. So the scale of the movie felt all wrong. those big battle scenes? they were so, so so un-English. As a kid, I used to make up play battles with the toys: building block castles, and various figurines to populate it, the left over soldiers, wandering animals from an old farm set, and the refugees from the Lone Ranger ranch I got at age 4. Made sense to me to have all those creatures jumbled together in a narrative. Narnia reminded me of that. And of playing under the covers with the stuffed animals. And roving through the local "wild woods" at dusk, with the cold wrapped about you and the shadows, and nothing feeling especially warm or welcoming. And the dream of becoming a king, some one like in the stories who actually rescues (girls!), who vanquishes the bullies, and all.... for me that was what Narnia tapped or brought back. Well, nothing like THAT in the movie.
And, here is how the books are described in a review of Alan Jacobs, _The Narnian: The Life and Imagination of CS Lewis_
fwiw, this is also a wonderful, respectful review of Lewis and his lifetime work....
The quote:
"In each of the books the children cannot survive and prevail if they rely on themselves: they need the grace that comes from Aslan. The books also teach the disregard of self: it is by turning inward upon themselves that the children stumble and by forgetting themselves and caring for others that they are rescued. "
Something like that seemed to be missing from the film, or perhaps left underdeveloped.
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 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 1/16/2006 10:47 PM (GMT -6) |   |
C. S. LEWIS’S NARNIA AND THE EDUCATION OF THE IMAGINATION
By Herman A. Middleton
http://www.conciliarpress.com/again/content/view/76/31/9/9/
In his 1939 sermon, "Learning in War-Time," he wrote:
I reject at once an idea which lingers in the mind of some modern people that cultural activities are in their own right spiritual and meritorious—as though scholars and poets were intrinsically more pleasing to God than scavengers and bootblacks. . . . Let us clear it forever from our minds. The work of a Beethoven, and the work of a charwoman, become spiritual on precisely the same condition, that of being offered to God, of being done humbly “as to the Lord.”
The Fathers of the Church also do not romanticize man's imaginative faculty. . . .
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