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Blood Washed Heretic
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   Posted 11/12/2003 11:30 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The Hammer could easily be repaired, and I think the humans will want to re-establish a presence inside the Matrix ASAP, with the minds to be freed and all...

I'm actually working on a fanfic set after Revolutions right now, so I do appreciate the open-ended nature of the ending, it just could have been WAY better.


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   Posted 11/12/2003 2:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, conceivably, it could be eventually repaired and I guess they might have some incentive to do so relatively soon so as to be able to procur supplies and what-not...

For me one question is how the machines are able to reinitiate Zion after each of the ones from scratch with the residue of the previous Zion.

That seems like a stretch, unless the "real world" is also part of the Matrix, but the W2s seem to have said that it really is the real world, the distinction is just blurred for Neo/The One due to the power of the Source. Where this sources power stems from is another question that has not been dealt with.

Maybe its made from the holy grail...

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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   Posted 11/14/2003 7:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Some thoughts from my last viewing of MRel and MRev...

Morpheus' statements about the sentinels never reaching Zion were way off, revealing the blind-faith that was leading him in his actions.

Implication:Our faith-beliefs don't have to be right, it is the fact that they are that then leads us to act and provide for change.

Also, Neo and Oracle's interactions in both MRel and MRev are very important. I believe that in MRev the second time Oracle refers to where Neo would go to get answers as to how to save Zion, this time she may have been refering to more than himself, but also to the source. As in, she was suggesting what he had to do, fulfill his destiny as the one by returning to the source.

It also is interesting to see how Oracle is humanized by the movie, in terms of her suffering a blow from Mervy in terms of changing her form, admission of fallibility to Morpheus, and how she is placed on even terms with Neo so far as abilities, and her expression of the need to believe at the end.

You also have a death-blow struck to manicheisms with Oracle expressing that her purpose is antagonistic as well as complementary to the purpose of Arky and their cordial exchange at the end. Yes, Arky's view is discredited as absolute truth, but the need for maintaining order is also affirmed. So Arky wasn't necessarily lying/trying to deceive Neo, but rather just speaking from a world-view whereby what Neo finally accomplished, choosing to love Trinity more than anything else and choosing to sacrifice himself on the behalf of programs and humans, was radically foreign.

The exchange between Oracle and Arky also had Oracle ask about those that want to leave and Arky replied that, "Obviously, they will be freed." I think this refers to both programs and humans and that what Arky meant was that those that want to leave would be freed by Zionites or the non-system-based programs like Oracle.

I mentioned earlier about the pods appearing to have contents. I believe they do, but that Neo's sight only saw the pod-containers, not the humans and so there is no conflict between his afore-mentioned ability to only see programs and nothing else. At any rate, it seems that the programs will have another batch of humans on their way and the Matrix will resume with those that are committed to truth choosing the right pill.

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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