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honorman
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  		   Posted 11/5/2003 9:47 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just got back. The best advice I can give to others is take the money you would use for the tickets (and popcorn and drinks) buy the first two on DVD, watch them until you can think of the perfect ending that you would envision...because anything you can envision is better than this piece of crap of an ending I just saw. What a horrible waste of my time and money...laughed through most of it...and kept begging the screen to got on with it. It is truly hard for me to believe the same people made the first two...
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honorman
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  		   Posted 11/5/2003 9:50 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And where were the twins from the second movie...the coolest villians to ever be wasted...
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 4:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What exactly did you dislike?

I thought Neo and Trinity's last words were touching.

And, the fight scene between Neo and Smith wasn't that bad.

It comes out that Oracle's willingness to be smithed was a trojan-horse move so she could alert Neo to what he had to do, let himself be smithed and then kill himself to stop all the smiths. Then, it seems that the Matrix was restarted and all the programs that had been smithed returned to their previous forms, including Oracle, Seraph and the girl.

It seems that the machines themselves elevated Neo for his sacrifice and decided to honor their promise to him, even though nothing was stopping them anymore.

So tell me more specifically what you didn't like.
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Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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honorman
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 8:36 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You thought the death scene was TOUCHING!!! Half of our audience laughed, with several screaming "get on with it!"
It had NONE of the coolest of either of the first two, the main characters were none existant through most of the movie, the "questions" of the first two movies were buried under a pile of badly utilized special effects and the ending fight with Smith was stupid. Finally, what did Neo accomplish? Nothing but a temporary peace. In that sense it is a perfect ending for our society. Peace at any price.
To be honest DLW, you should frame the question, what DID I like? It was so bad that would be much easier. No, on the other hand that would be much harder, because almost nothing comes to mind.
Oh yeah, when Neo tries to escape the train station in the beginning by running, and says "sh$t." That was pretty funny.
The worse thing about the movie was the filmmakers forgot to be cool.
The machines did not elevate Neo. They simply made a practical decision for their own benefit. A movie of complete stupidity buried under the title of "importance." I have not been this disappointed about an ending since the final scenes of "The Abyss."
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DLW
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 8:51 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Neo won the respect of the programs, a respect that made them spare Zion. The future is always uncertain and so a temporary peace is the best that can be hoped for.

So Neo and Trinity making it was cool, but their last parting words to each other weren't?

If you say-soDisapprove.

I didn't get a good deal of how Neo and Smith's fight affected their surroundings. It is unclear why the Smith-Oracle was such a better fighter than the other smiths had been. It seems that their fighting affected the Matrix a lot. Another thing that is funky is how Trinity/Morpheus/Seraph defeated the program guards of Mervy. I mean clearly these were programs and meant to protect the Mervster against Smiths and so it should have been quite hard for the three of them, even with Seraph there, to beat them all.

anyways,
yes the movie failed to resolve the questions raised earlier, but I find it hard to believe that Neo's sacrifice and the continued freedom of Zion will not alter the course of human/program relations permanently, especially if programs continue to become more human-like as with Savy's parents.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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honorman
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 9:28 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"making what?" Are you talking about the second movie? I thought that scene was stupid as well and basically irrelevant to the movie. Sounds like you are rationalizing simply because you so WANT to like the movie.
Bad movie...too bad. The first two were so good...which makes the failure that more tragic...
but you may continue in your hopeless rationalizing...Big Smile
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DLW
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 9:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well the tragedy of my rationalizing is made even greater by my inability to grasp the perspicacity of your review of the film.

Evil Tongue
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Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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honorman
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 10:24 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW: I certainly do not want to belabor the point, except to say this: when I go to a movie I expect to be entertained. The Brothers seemed to have forgotten this and instead have substituted some message of "higher importance" to their film, making it a "statement" rather than the great entertainment that was the first two films. They basically took away everything that made the first two films special and replaced it with some cliche of a film bothering heavy from films like Blade Runner and Star Wars. Those who work within the movies would do well to remember that truth spoken plainly is nothing more than a sermon...and this isn't church.
And with that I am done...I already wasted eight bucks and 2 plus hours. I have no desire to waste anymore...
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DLW
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 10:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thankyou for explaining yourself better.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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honorman
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 12:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You are very welcome...in the end the worse thing one can say about a movie is that it is boring...and that was the great sin of The Matrix Revolutions...
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DLW
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 12:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you don't understand something then it will always be boring.

dlw
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honorman
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  		   Posted 11/6/2003 12:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sticks 'n' stones may break my bones Big Smile but my (mis) understanding of the movie still doesn't explain your lack of taste.Tongue
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Jeffrywith1e
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  		   Posted 11/7/2003 2:53 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I thought this 3rd movie was amazing. it perfectly showed the selfless sacrifice of Neo for everyone in Zion and for the chance of the 'blue pills' to be freed.

night
there was a young lady named Bright
whose speed was much faster than light
she departed one day
in a relative way
and returned on the previous

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DLW
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  		   Posted 11/7/2003 6:01 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And here I thought that degustibus non est disputandum...

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Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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  		   Posted 11/7/2003 3:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I stopped watching after Reloaded... I can't believe anybody but a die-hard fan enjoyed that one. I have no desire to see "Revolutions", maybe when it appears on Superstation TBS, LOL. I'm beginning to think "The Matrix" was a one-hit wonder.

Today Lucifer is probably surveying the church just as Bonaparte did China. One can almost behold the fear in his eyes as he thinks of the Church's unmeasured potential and growls, "Let the Church sleep! If she wakes, she will shake the world." Is not the Church the sleeping giant of today?.... - Leonard Ravenhill

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DLW
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  		   Posted Yesterday 6:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I had some friends that didn't like Matrix Reloaded at first, but, after they read my interpretation of it(which is the first post in the thread I started on this forum)they went to see it again and liked it.

So maybe it might be worth giving it a read....

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted Today 3:03 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here is an entertaining review from someone who didn't like MReloaded, James Lileks.

http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03/1103/110703.html

Here is an interesting segment of the review that gets at the "spirituality" in the Matrix movies...

I took away something else from the Matrix trilogy: it is a product of deeply confused people. They want it all. They want individualism and community; they want secularism and transcendence; they want the purity of committed love and the licentious fun of an S&M club; they want peace and the thrill of violence; they want God, but they want to design him on their own screens with their own programs by their own terms for their own needs, and having defined the divine on their own terms, they bristle when anyone suggests they have simply built a room with a mirror and flattering lighting. All three Matrix movies, seen in total, ache for a God. But they can¡¯t quite go all the way. They¡¯re like three movies about circular flat meat patties that can never quite bring themselves to say the word hamburger.

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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honorman
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  		   Posted Today 3:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thats a great insight, DLW. And very true. Searching for something, but not quite sure what...
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honorman
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  		   Posted Today 3:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey, I wanted to ask, did you guys see less on this MAtrix movie? Less publicity, etc. A friend of mine didn't even know it was out. After seeing it, he felt it was because the studio knew it wasn't very good and believed it would not be received well...
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DLW
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  		   Posted Today 3:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There weren't very any movie posters for MRevol here the week before it began.

It seems possible that after MReloaded didn't sell as well as expected that the advertising budget of the W2 brothers got trimmmed.
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Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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honorman
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  		   Posted Today 7:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I had heard that they had actually filmed both together...
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DLW
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  		   Posted 11/10/2003 5:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
sure, and the w2 had wanted to show MRev right after MRel, but this was squashed by the Movie Industry.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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honorman
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  		   Posted 11/10/2003 9:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, directors have only so much control...
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