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Ronald Ricketts
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| Posted 1/2/2002 3:32 PM (GMT -6) |   | I am amazed and saddened by the names/words used against Open Theists by Classical Theists. For example, R.C.Sproul writes that Clark Pinnock has left the fold or faith.If this is correct, then what happened to the Perseverance of the Saints? Would Sproul say that Pinnock was not in the fold or faith from the beginning? I am confused by this lack of civility. Ronald Ricketts
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Starkman
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| Posted 1/3/2002 7:48 AM (GMT -6) | | Which just goes to show you why Jesus said, "You shall know them by whether they are Open or Classical theists". No, wait, that's not what He said, is it! "...by their FRUIT".
If Sproul meant that Pinnock has left the fold - that being the Calvinist view (if he ever was one), then the statement isn't so accusational. If, however, he meant that Pinnock has left the Christian fold/faith, well then, we see what the real need here is then, don't we: let us learn the fruits of the Spirit (there's that word again, fruit!), and let us love one another.
Seems we have some far more important issues to address (and live out) then worrying so much about whether one's an open view theist or what have you (of course, everyone's entirely, absolutely and horribly wrong...except us open view theists, right...RIGHT?!!!)
Starkman
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 1/3/2002 5:03 PM (GMT -6) | | I want to affirm that the majority of opponents of open theism I have personally engaged in have been very Christian in their demeanor. BUT, as RR notes, there are unfortunate exceptions, and some have been nasty. Conservative Calvinists have tended to be (with wonderful exceptions) the worst.
I came across a phrase today -- imitatio dei. It is the principle that we tend to imitate the God we worship.
I've found this to be very true.
Greg
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writerdad
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| Posted 1/3/2002 5:25 PM (GMT -6) | | Ronald: I would agree with Doc, particularly in the area that conversative calvinists have been the worst. If anyone doesn't believe me, pick up "Bound Only Once," edited by Douglas Wilson, published by Canon Press. It is a sad comment on the inability of some people to engage differing views. Harold
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Pragma-Man
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| Posted 1/3/2002 6:36 PM (GMT -6) | | While I'm not an open theist, I can't help but point out the logical contradiction Sproul makes. "left the fold..."
If as a classic calvanist, Rc should be saying Pinnock was never a believer to begin with, then why doesn't Sproul say that? Instead, his statement sounds quite Armenian (sp?). Maybe Ricketts didn't quote verbatim?
Just couldn't help but point out the apparent "mistake."
For the record, I like Open Theists. Some of the nicest people I know are Open Theists. Even some of my good friends are Open Theists. Really.
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Ronald Ricketts
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| Posted 1/4/2002 3:05 AM (GMT -6) | | On Jan. 2nd, I posted a question about civility and Classic Theists. One person asked if I had quoted correctly. In one sense I did not quote correctly. The reference I was referring to is in Journey Toward Renewal by Barry Callen, page 158 (footnote) and it reads "For example. R.C. Sproul has expressed publicly his judgement that Pinnock is a heretic and unbeliever for holding such a view as limited divine omniscience. Others have been critical of Gregory Boyd because of his Pinnock-like views". I am sure that there are examples but in my limited reading, I have not read where Open Theists have called Classic Theists heretics or unbelievers. Peace dear friends. Maybe my problem is that my expectations are too high.
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