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Ronald Ricketts
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| Posted 1/29/2002 8:51 AM (GMT -6) |   | A big thanks to Jewgrass for his help in understanding "moderate calvinism". In his reply he mentions "lapsarian",with its various pre-fixes, meaning the eternal or everlasting decrees of God. Being the inquistive soul that I am, I am wondering about the derivation of the word lapsarian. Is it of Greek or Latin origin? Also is the term synonymous with predestination?. I have looked in 5 to 6 big dictionaries and can find nothing. Thanks for your help again.
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Jewgrass
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| Posted 1/29/2002 11:16 AM (GMT -6) | | Lapsarian comes from the Latin term 'lapsus' which means the 'doctrine of the fall'. According to Calvinists, God's eternal decree consists of 5 "sub"-decrees. Since the decree is eternal, they do not come in a temporal order, but a logical order.
Supralapsarianism:
1. Election and reprobation
2. Creation
3. Fall
4. Atonement for Elect
5. Salvation for Elect
Infralapsarianism:
1. Creation
2. Fall
3. Election
4. Atonement for Elect
5. Salvation for Elect
Sublapsarianism (4-point Calvinism):
1. Creation
2. Fall
3. Atonement for all
4. Election
5. Salvation for Elect
Although the book has MANY flaws, a great resource for understanding all of this is THE OTHER SIDE OF CALVINISM by Laurence Vance. It has many weak arguments, etc, but it has a lot of good historical information about Calvin, Arminius, and the doctrines following them.
--Jewgrass
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writerdad
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| Posted 1/29/2002 2:31 PM (GMT -6) | | Jewgrass: I am reading Vance's book now. While I agree with many of his arguments against Calvinism, I think he falls into the same trap that Calvinists do, that of being a little too judgmental for me. Harold
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 1/29/2002 4:19 PM (GMT -6) | | The Dutch in Sioux County, Iowa mainly talk about TULIPs in the Spring time; and then mostly concerning that parade in Orange City.
The do talk about
1. Creation
2. Fall
3. Redemption
4. Office (now)
5. Restoration (in the eschata)
Mainly because they are not sitting on their tumbs.
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