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Ronald Ricketts
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| Posted 2/1/2002 3:05 AM (GMT -6) |   | In the lastest issue of Christianity Today (4 Feb 02, pages 72f)Geoffrey Bromiley, professor emeritus at Fuller Seminary, wrote an article entitled "Only God is Free".If I read him correctly, he is saying that while human freedom is limited in many ways, God's freedom is unlimited.In divine freedom God is never at risk. My use or abuse of freedom does not limit God. God in his freedom still controls. Now all of this sounds OK but, a personal question still persists,does not my irresponsibility affect God's action in some way? Is Bromiley pushing the control issue similar to a Calvinist? Thanks for your response.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 2/1/2002 2:07 PM (GMT -6) | | Meph was talking about two categories: necessary and contingent.
Maybe we could settle for the statement that God is a "necessary being." (Meph can explain.) But god "risked" by taking on our humanity. Not an actuarial risk. But painful, deadly risk.
How does that square with the gentleman's statement?
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Jewgrass
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| Posted 2/2/2002 5:07 AM (GMT -6) | | I think almost any theologian out there would agree that God is the only agent out there that is free to the point of being autonomous. Want to test this theory? Go fly around the sky. Move objects with your mind. Read people's minds. Can a human do this? No... therefore you're only free within certain boundaries.
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stollerusa
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| Posted 2/4/2002 5:19 PM (GMT -6) | | "...does not my irresponsibility affect God's action in some way? ...."
My current thinking is that God's so sovereign that He allows human free will.
God's overall Master Plan will not be hurt or hindered by our choices and results thereof.
I suspect our choices can only hurt us.
For example, suppose we choose not to be a part of God's evangelistic program today.
Ok, today, we simply are not used by God, rather He uses someone else, or, He alters
situation to get done His will.
Maybe I can make this analogy:
God knows the outcome of a particular game
of Chess, regardless of what moves we make,
the outcome will essentially be the same,
regardless where I, as a chess piece, am on the board. All analogies can break down if stretched - so accept this in simple form :)
[www.prismnet.com/~stoller/toc.htm,
a virtual library website]
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stollerusa
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| Posted 2/4/2002 5:20 PM (GMT -6) | | "...does not my irresponsibility affect God's action in some way? ...."
My current thinking is that God's so sovereign that He allows human free will.
God's overall Master Plan will not be hurt or hindered by our choices and results thereof.
I suspect our choices can only hurt us.
For example, suppose we choose not to be a part of God's evangelistic program today.
Ok, today, we simply are not used by God, rather He uses someone else, or, He alters
situation to get done His will.
Maybe I can make this analogy:
God knows the outcome of a particular game
of Chess, regardless of what moves we make,
the outcome will essentially be the same,
regardless where I, as a chess piece, am on the board. All analogies can break down if stretched - so accept this in simple form :)
[www.prismnet.com/~stoller/toc.htm,
a virtual library website]
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