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Fivefold
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Posted 2/25/2002 7:59 AM (GMT -6)

John 8:6
This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.

John 8:8
And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.

Modes of Thought
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Posted 2/25/2002 8:48 AM (GMT -6)

Some scholars have speculated that Jesus was listing sins of those standing there. But of course, we cannot know for sure simply from this text.

BTW, Fivefold, I have several questions for you:
1. What is the source for the long cut and paste sections you have posted here on various threads? It is best to credit your sources.
2. Why do you post lengthy doctrinal summaries in the manner that you do?
3. Is your name a reference to TULIP?
Thanks,
Modes

"Christianly understood, truth is obviously not to know the truth but to be the truth. Despite all modern philosophy, there is an infinite difference here..." SK

Fivefold
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Posted 2/26/2002 4:08 PM (GMT -6)

Modes,

Sorry, I did not see your questions you left
for me.

1. My long posts come from edited notes dating back to 1976. The Assembly which I
attended, was Pastored by a Theologian who
taught us, "The Basic Doctrines Of The Christian Faith."
He also taught The Greek & Hebrew Languages.

I have since went through my notes, which
were in the form of outlines, and transcribed
them into readable doctrinal material.

Since my doctrinal material originates from
the Theologian I studied under, as well as
my own studies daily in The Word Of God, I
do not deem it necessary to give a reference
of origin. I give all the glory and praise
to Jesus Christ, who by the Holy Spirit leads
me unto all truth in His Word. I do not mean
that I have all the truth of The Word, but
what light He has given me from His Word is
truth!

I have been told several times that I closely
resemble the Theologian which I studied under
for so many years.

I always strive to include Scriptural support
to what I post. The reason my posts are so
long and in-depth is; I believe that one
should fully convey from The Word of God any
questions, doctrine, or subject matter, using all the Doctrines of The Christian Faith to show the fullness of the issue at hand. I
like to fully support from what I embrace from the Word of God in as much detail as possible.

In doing so, I believe that some may benefit
from such in-depth teaching. There are too
many Christians today still feeding on the,
"milk of the Word!"

Do not take that wrong!, I am not saying that
anyone on this board are feeding on the, "milk of the Word," but maybe someone who is,
might just happed to be led by The Holy Spirit to this board?

My name relates to;

Eph 4:11
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,

If my post have caused offense to anyone
on this board, please accept my apology.
Leave me a message or an email.

In Christ Jesus,
Fivefold.

trosie
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Posted 2/26/2002 10:01 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
My name relates to;

Eph 4:11
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers

Fivefold, I like the name especially after you explained it's origin!

quote:
as though He did not hear

Isn't that part itself interesting!

I find the actions and reactions of Jesus so fascinating to reflect on!
trosie

Modes of Thought
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Posted 2/27/2002 3:31 AM (GMT -6)

Fivefold,

Thanks for the explanation. No offense taken, it just seemed evident that often your responses were not directly engaging with the questions at hand, they seemed like they had been prepared ahead of time and then cut and pasted here. We have had others do this sort of thing in the past and it makes for very long threads and sometimes it can be distracting. Again, no offense, just letting you know that we have seen this sort of posting before and it makes some wary. Some may even see it as semi-proselytizing.

I have a couple more questions that will help me understand you better:

1. Is there a reason that you capitolize "Theologian" when you refer to your mentor?

2. Additioanlly, is there a reason that you omit his name?

3. You said:
"Since my doctrinal material originates from
the Theologian I studied under, as well as
my own studies daily in The Word Of God, I
do not deem it necessary to give a reference
of origin. I give all the glory and praise
to Jesus Christ, who by the Holy Spirit leads
me unto all truth in His Word. I do not mean
that I have all the truth of The Word, but
what light He has given me from His Word is
truth!"

How can you be so sure that what you received is indeed truth?

Thanks.

"Christianly understood, truth is obviously not to know the truth but to be the truth. Despite all modern philosophy, there is an infinite difference here..." SK

might-be-don
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Posted 2/27/2002 3:56 AM (GMT -6)

Fivefold,

Welcome.

I see that your first date is going well. It's great to get to know you.

While no one has done this for a while, there is a thread , "What's your story" , that a number of us gave short testimonies of what brought us to this point in life. It's an interesting read, and you would be welcome to add your story, if your so inclined. I'll post something there to bring the thread current.

peace and love, don

A quote from Rev. Gregory A. Boyd, PhD ... " Has anyone seen my keys? "

Fivefold
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Posted 2/27/2002 11:10 AM (GMT -6)

Trosie,

Num 6:24
"The LORD bless you and keep you;

Num 6:25
the LORD make His face shine upon you, and be gracious to you;

Num 6:26
the LORD lift up His countenance upon you, and give you peace."

In Christ Jesus,
Fivefold.

Fivefold
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Posted 2/27/2002 12:41 PM (GMT -6)

Modes,

I capitalized the word, "Theologian," to
emphasize that I studied under a Theologian,
who also was the Pastor of the Assembly.

Also, to relate what type of teaching I received.
Do you know an Assembly (Church), who
teaches theology, the Greek, and Hebrew Languages?

Most Christians do not receive such teaching
in their Churches! If they are called to Fivefold Ministry,
they attend a, secular and or Christian
College, and or Seminary.

His name is Dr. Freeman Th.D. Prior to his
homegoing to be with The Lord in 1984, Dr.
Freeman; After being called into the Ministry,
was educated at Georgetown College,
The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary,
and completed his graduate studies at Grace
Theological Seminary, where he taught Old
Testament, Hebrew, Philosophy and Ethics
before he continued in his ministry as
pastor, author, Bible teacher,
and conference speaker.

You stated, "How can you be so sure what you
received is indeed truth?"

The Doctrines which I was taught lined up
with, "The Bible, The Word Of God." Secondly,
Jesus said;

John 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

John 16:14
"He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.

John 16:15
"All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

John 8:31
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.

John 8:32
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

John 8:36
"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

I Jn 2:20
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.

5545 chrisma (khris'-mah);

from 5548; an unguent or smearing, i.e. (figuratively) the special endowment ("chrism") of the Holy Spirit:

KJV-- anointing, unction.

I Jn 2:27
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

I Jn 2:28
And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.

I Jn 2:29
If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

John 14:16
"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever--

John 14:17
"the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

John 14:18
"I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 14:19
"A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.

John 14:20
"At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

I Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Acts 4:10
"let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

Acts 4:11
"This is the 'stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.'

Acts 4:12
"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

John 3:4
Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"

John 3:5
Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:6
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3:7
"Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.

In Christ Jesus,
Fivefold.

Fivefold
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Posted 2/27/2002 12:48 PM (GMT -6)

might-be-don,

Greetings In Christ Jesus,
Thank You for your welcome!

I will look for the thread where I can post my testimony.

In Christ Jesus,
Fivefold.

Tom
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Posted 2/27/2002 6:15 PM (GMT -6)

Hi Fivefold-

Welcome to the site. I was interested in your answer to Modes' question "How do you know that the teaching you received is the truth?"

quote:
The Doctrines which I was taught lined up with, "The Bible, The Word Of God."

What do you say to people who take a position opposite you on a given issue and claim exactly what you do? Are both views right?

Just interested.

Tom

Fivefold
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Posted 2/28/2002 8:38 AM (GMT -6)

TGB,

All the teaching I received was taught was
based on the Bible! Dr. Freeman is widely
known for a book which most Seminaries use, it is entitled, "The
Old Testament Prophets." It
has been re-printed over and over since it
was first written back sometime in the
1960's!!!!!!!

If someone takes an opposite view of any
given doctrine to what I believe, I use the
Bible as proof! Only the Bible is the, "God-Breathed, infallible,
inspired Word of God," which was
recorded by His vessels, and preserved by Him until this present time!

While other outside material may lead to
different ideas, and or thoughts, they
are not, "The Infallible Word Of God!"

The Holy Spirit leads me in The Word and
unto all truth! I have received the, Infilling, or
Baptism of The Holy Spirit,
with the evidence of speaking in tongues,
which is an experience, "subsquent to
Salvation!"

Also;

Eph 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Eph 2:9
not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Gal 2:20
"I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Rom 14:23
But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

James 2:24
You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

James 2:25
Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

How do you know that what you embrace and
have learned from the Bible is the truth?

Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?

2 Tim 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

The N.T. Churches were all in agreement in
doctrine through the Apostles teachings, and
in Spirit. How come this is not so today?
Could it be that we have many, who teach,
"The Doctrines and Precepts of Men?"

Acts 2:42
And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43
Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.

Acts 2:44
Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common,

In Christ Jesus,
Fivefold.

Rom 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."

Gal 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),

Gal 3:14
that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Modes of Thought
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Posted 2/28/2002 9:40 AM (GMT -6)

Well I guess that settles that.

"Christianly understood, truth is obviously not to know the truth but to be the truth. Despite all modern philosophy, there is an infinite difference here..." SK

Tom
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Posted 2/28/2002 10:23 AM (GMT -6)

I'm dizzy. Where's my chair?

Tom

Fivefold
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Posted 2/28/2002 1:03 PM (GMT -6)

Tom,

"I'm Dizzy. Where's My Chair?
"Bad Confession!"

Your question;

"What do you say to people who take a position opposite you on a given issue and
claim exactly what you do? Are both views right?"

1. Depends on what the issue is?
2. Depends on what the claim is?
3. Are both views right? Depends on
questions number 1 & 2?

In Christ Jesus,
Fivefold.

jhodgeiii
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Posted 3/9/2002 7:05 PM (GMT -6)

Regarding the original post, I feel that Jesus was just ignoring them and/or buying time. He was trying to get the Pharisees and scribes off his back since they were trying to get him into trouble with the Romans.

BBBCanada
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Posted 3/10/2002 5:17 AM (GMT -6)

Fivefold, these are important questions that Modes and TGB asked of you. But you realize you don't approach the Bible from a purely objective stand point don't you? You will fall within some theological framework? Somewhere along the theological spectrum? Here's another question for you.

What do you when the Bible has absolutely nothing to say about a given topic, issue, etc? Is not saying:

quote:
1. Depends on what the issue is?
2. Depends on what the claim is?
3. Are both views right? Depends on
questions number 1 & 2?

falling outside of the biblical revelation and using some sort of extra biblical or general revelation to help you determine the "truth?"

By the way, in answer to your question, I think Jesus was making smiley faces.

Brandon
Hurt people...hurt people.

Edited by - BBBCanada on 03/10/2002 10:20:44 AM

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