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| In your opinion, which view is MOST viable, given all Scriptural and historical considerations? | | Eternal Conscious Punishment/Torment - 56.5% | | Annihilationism - 13.0% | | Universal Reconciliation - 8.7% | | I don't know right now - 21.7% |
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Similitude
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| Posted 7/3/2006 2:16 PM (GMT -6) |   | Tom: Yeah, I include the eternal state in the eschaton. Should I not?
Jeff: No, but I thought you were differentiating between the eschaton and the time of judgment. You said, "Just a general warning--'you're gonna wish you were never born'--without saying anything about the eschaton per se." But I understood Corey to be referring to the judgment that happens at or after Christ's return. So by my view (and Corey's, I think), the time at which they will be wishing they had never been born will actually BE in the eschaton. So it's "about the eschaton" in that sense at least. But it can still be finite.
Maybe I was misunderstanding you. On the other hand, we can forget scriptural eschatology altogether and look at UR from the aspect of benevolence, alone. But I'm still curious as to how we could do that without at least talking about something like a Fall. What do you think?
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Corey
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| Posted 7/3/2006 5:49 PM (GMT -6) | | | Just to be a little "process" here... I don't view the eschaton as a static, final destination. It will have history and development of its own. I expect there to be phases or ages or whatever you want to call them within this larger category. | | Back to Top | | |
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 7/17/2006 12:05 PM (GMT -6) | |
jefscott said...
But doesn't "this age" necessarily refer to a finite period of time?
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, Jeff. I’ve been very busy.
Help me understand, are you positing other finite (to use Corey’s phrase) “phases” beyond our current reality? Please, let me ask you how we could ever differentiate or define "finite" (if UR is true) because in essence all of us would currently be experiencing a phase of eternity?
Love is like a ball in a game of catch: throw it and it will come back to you; hold onto it and that ends the game. Post Edited (sparknheart) : 7/17/2006 12:10:50 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 7/17/2006 12:22 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Thanks for the update on Jeff, Corey.
I’m just asking the question on how one can differentiate between finite and eternal if UR is true. It would just seem to me that life would end up consisting of nothing more then a delusion of eternal phases with no such thing as a finite period of time; we are all just destined for eternal bliss in a due manner of time. For example, the shaker analogy that was used, where we our simply shook until we choose God and He will wait forever until we make a decision towards him. This is one reason why I embrace the form of annihilation that Doc writes about in SATPOE, which by the way is not even a choice on this thread’s pole.
The bottom line is that Scripture speaks of two major “ages” and they are without question definitive.
Love is like a ball in a game of catch: throw it and it will come back to you; hold onto it and that ends the game. Post Edited (sparknheart) : 7/21/2006 8:56:51 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 8/4/2006 9:55 AM (GMT -6) | | |
Jeff,
I don’t know. Maybe I could agree with you from some conceptual, theoretical or philosophical viewpoint, I just find it very problematic from a Biblical perspective. But then again who am I to say. I’m just a one dimensional dot, trapped in time and space, conceivably passing through a single instance of some manifold dimensional universe.
Shalom,
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