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PotOnWheel
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First Fruits of Prayer: Getting Serious for Forty Days
Wednesday, March 1, 2006


 
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1. What is "the Great Canon of St. Andrew" and what’s so great about it?

... written in the early 700’s, and it picked up the adjective "Great" for two reasons: it’s extra-long (about 250 verses), and it’s majestic. The Great Canon was written by St. Andrew of Crete, a bishop who was initially a monk in Jerusalem. My new book, "First Fruits of Prayer," divides the Great Canon into 40 readings; this way readers can explore it as a spiritual retreat, during Lent or at any time.

The whole Canon is a kind of "Walk Through the Bible." St. Andrew begins with Adam and Eve and goes all the way through, exhorting himself by applying the stories and characters of the Bible. Because it is so densely packed I provide a commentary each day on the facing page, which supplies the Scripture references, explains unfamiliar ideas, and suggests questions for reflection.

Reading the Canon helps us see how Christians in the Holy Land, 1300 years ago, understood the Scriptures. It’s a way to time-travel, and actually join them in these ancient Christian devotions.

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3. Who was St. Andrew?

... born in Damascus about 660

... His intelligence and holiness were evident, and he soon became secretary to the patriarch of Jerusalem. 

... manager of ministries to the poor, elderly, and orphans in Constantinople, and by the end of his life was Bishop of Crete.

 

... But what he was most known for was inventing a new form of hymn, a Canon. It’s composed of 9 sections, or "Canticles." Each canticle begins by referencing one of the songs in the Bible — for example, the song of Moses when the Hebrews crossed the Red Sea (Exodus 15:1-18), or the Song of the Virgin Mary when the angel announced the conception of Jesus (Luke 1:46-55). Each canticle starts with a verse based on the biblical canticle and then takes off from it, almost like a jazz riff, developing the overall theme of the canon.

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5. Who is your book written for?

"First Fruits of Prayer" is for anyone who wants to be stretched and challenged spiritually.  

... go back 1000 or 1500 years, to a work like the Great Canon, and you don’t get that at all. There is a sense of awe and mystery here —a sense of *seriousness* — that you won’t find in a so-called "praise chorus."

The Great Canon is demanding, no doubt about it. But maybe what we’re dealing with — life, death, evil, forgiveness, God’s compassion, our joy and gratitude — is serious, too.

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10. For folks who aren’t into Lent, they might know it as the time when some of their friends don’t drink. Something along those lines. Do you "give up" stuff during Lent? How do you look at the forty days? How do you tend to describe it to the uninitiated?

 For Eastern Orthodox, all spiritual exercises are designed to heighten our perception of basic reality: sin is much more serious than we think, and God’s forgiveness is much more vast than we think. 

...  The fast is not self-punishment or payment for sin. It’s an exercise like weightlifting, designed to strengthen the willpower muscle. If you can resist a slice of pizza, you can resist the urge to yell at someone in traffic.

 


 
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   Posted 3/4/2006 1:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
03/04/2006
First Fruits: A Forty-Day Journey Through the Canon of St. Andrew
Frederica Mathewes-Green

As we are preparing for the beginning of the Lenten Season, we welcome back Frederica Mathewes-Green, a skilled interpreter of the theology and history of the Orthodox Christian tradition, to discuss her latest book, First Fruits: A Forty-Day Journey through the Canon of St. Andrew. This book offers readers an opportunity to walk through a classic text from the Christian East in a series of forty prayerful readings with accompanying commentary and questions for further reflection. Be sure to join us for an intriguing conversation discussing Frederica Mathewes-Green’s latest book.


 
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   Posted 3/5/2006 12:40 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
While "getting serious" can be commendable (depending on precisely what it is one is getting serious about--I'm sure suicide bombers are as serious as a heart attack for the time being), I always am puzzled by the whole mindset of "Lent." If a purpose is wrong it is always wrong. If a purpose is good, who says one is free to dispense with it after 40 days?

I recently heard a Roman Catholic guy on TV telling us that giving up ketchup on one's hotdogs for Lent was something God would be pleased with. Okay, sure. What about mustard and relish? It may be different among EOs, but as far as I could tell it was so absurd no reasonable, biblically aware person could ever fall for it.


A hotdog without ketchup does not a pure heart make. Lenten Proverbs of JEE 1:1


Note: I'm definitely not trying to pick a fight with PoW by posting this. I really don't know why I'm posting it at all, except that the subject was fresh on my mind, AND the fact that I so deeply despise anything that would beguile us from the simplicity that is in Christ.


 

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JEE said...
. . . I always am puzzled by the whole mindset of "Lent." . . . If a purpose is good, who says one is free to dispense with it after 40 days?

. . .I so deeply despise anything that would beguile us from the simplicity that is in Christ.
G O O D    P O I N T S .
 
 
Lent should not be the self-flagilation of giving up reish on a coney-island hotdog. Oooo. That's harsh.
 
Lent, as JEE points out, should be A PART of something much more on-going, and year round.
 
And that something is repentance.
 
 
Lent perhaps could be refered to as a "stress test" -- and the analogy probably holds up. In a stress test one is challenged, and one's health measured and needs assessed. BUT, one does not want to do self-stress tests. As to Lent, it IS something "done at home," but it is also something VERY MUCH done in community. It is not done alone. Within the Church, through sermons, confessions, worship, fellowship, and especially one-on-one counsel, the fast is undertaken TOGETHER. As are prayers, worship, sermons, etc. And like the doctor's office stress-test one's weaknesses and needs become more evident.
 
By my experience it does not take much of a fast to bring one to awareness of my own impulsiveness, interest in being choosy, and hidden desire to take care of myself---often more driving than my charity towards others. A good STRESS TEST flushes these out of the pious bushes they hide behind.
 
But coming back to JEE's other point. YES. Lent should be part of the whole year. The repentance and testing should proceed and live-in the whole year. Our Reformed church has confession and absolution in the early part of EVERY Sunday's service, leading up to the offering. Repentance and evaluation is an everyday thing, both at home and at church (which for the Christian is the doctor's office).
 
But this should not be homogenized, or it will lose our attention. And that's why. Fasting needs, then, to be paired with feasting. One can spread LENT throughout the year by doing refresher stress-tests. Not every part of the year, of course. The celebration from Easter (The ONLY language that does not call it "Pascha" is English.) to Pentacost should NOT have fasting in it. And no bowing prostrations either, as it needs to STRONGLY visualize for us the victory of Chirst over the grave!!! But normal weeks can be feast/fast cycles themselves. If one wants--and Christians often do--one can use Friday as a reminder of the crucifixion. Sunday is a feast day, celebrating the Resurrection.
 
So, JEE, you made some good points. And I'm glad you raised them@
 
- PoW


 
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