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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 3/12/2006 7:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

 

(A recycled thread -- had been St. Patrick's Breastplate)

 

Christianity Today once listed four "theories of the atonement." They left out the "Christus Victor" theory of Gustav Aulen.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1592443303/102-4505123-4434519?v=glance&n=283155

Bishop Kallistos Ware remarks that when it comes to "theories of the atonement" the best advice is "safety in numbers." (Don't push any single analogy too far!)

This week I ran across something that is not "another" theory; but it is something that reframes the question by presenting the approach that begins with the historical fact of the crucifixion and resurrect, and from there begins with the theological centrality of the same for the very existence of the world. Ephesians 1:3-10 is and example of this. Even sin and even the consignment of all to the power of sin is seen as centered on and in service of the Gospel--as Paul said.

Quite an interesting, if slow read.

http://store.goarch.org/product.php?productid=17490

Mystery of Christ: Life in Death, The 
by John Behr 

“A Christian’s first concern is for truth. The Mystery of Christ provides astounding insights into thetruth, indeed the many truths, of and about God’s gospel in his Son Jesus, the crucified Lord.” 

 

 


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Ephesians 3:8-11


 
"the unsearchable riches of Christ ... to ... see what is
 
the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God
 
who created all things ... the eternal purpose
 
which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord"


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A retired Dutch Reformed pastor said while teaching a Sunday School class on the atonement that whereas he preached for years on the 'vicarious satisfaction' and 'penal substitution' theories, he can no longer do so. He took comfort in C.S.Lewis' comparison between "mere Christianity" and "mere theories." (He did bring to class Gustav Aulen's book "Christus Victor." )

In teaching the class he has a very INTERESTING technique. Each of three sections is begun by examining the words of a hymn everyone (older folk) already know. This takes everyone off of the hot-seat, and removes discussion from the realm of whim -- allowing real feelings to be explored without sliding into 'mere' feelings. Here are the three hymns:

1. "I Will Sing of My Redeemer" (Phil­ip P. Bliss, 1876)
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/m/y/myrdeemr.htm

2. "Man of Sorrows" (Philip P. Bliss (1838-1876)
http://www.opc.org/books/TH/old/Blue175.html

3. "Praise the Saviour Now and Ever" (Fortunatus, 569 A.D.)"
http://www.opc.org/books/TH/old/Blue174.html


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