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One Love
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   Posted 3/14/2006 9:16 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ok. I know that some of you are going to think I've gone off the deep end...but...I really do want to ask this question...

Is there ANY context in which cannibalism of any type is admissable for a Christian?

I am serious as a heart attack.

What got me thinking about this was the movies "Soylent Green" and "Alive" Also checking out stuff on the Donner Party.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_party

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571

Actually, let's make it deeper than that.

Would there ever be a POSSIBLE context where cannibalism forms part of the context of a "sacrificing a rook for the queen"/"acceptable risk" situation where God actually ALLOWS FOR it? If you argue "No" or "Never", please give some VERY, VERY good reasons why?

I'm really wondering about this. How deep does my utilitarianism go? Regarding this question, I don't know...yet.

Thoughts?
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Tom
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   Posted 3/14/2006 9:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sure. Why not? If you and I crash in the Andes mountains, are not rescued for weeks, and begin starving to death, if you die, I'm eatin ya to stay alive.

But what I won't do is this: You, I, and Corey crash in the Andes and are not rescued for weeks, then when we start to starve, really starve, you and I a) plot to murder Corey and eat him since he's the weakest of the three (for example) and that will guarantee our living, or b) two of us vote to enact a drawing of straws for all three of us and the shortest draw gets eaten.

If all three of us agreed and we're each willing to sacrifice ourselves and also agreed to draw staws and leave it to God to determine the outcome, I could see that as a possible context.

But cannibalism as a way of life? Naw.

Tom


 

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   Posted 3/14/2006 12:21 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey Tom, is that "Naw" as in to "naw" on a bone? Oh, wait. I'm think'n "gnaw." OK. Forget it.


Brandon
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Tom
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   Posted 3/14/2006 12:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think we'd eat Mephi first. I like dark meat!

Tom


 

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BBBCanada
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   Posted 3/14/2006 12:47 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That's bad...actually that's REAL sick man! lol...Seriously though? I'm with you Tom. Some extent situations may call for cannibalism. Not just ANY situation. So, yeah. Sacrificing the rook to save the queen? Sure.


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

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Humphrey Bogart
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   Posted 3/15/2006 10:17 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Meph said...
Is there ANY context in which cannibalism of any type is admissable for a Christian?


Yes. If the person you eat is a universalist, then it is OK.
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Tom
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   Posted 3/16/2006 8:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yo Mephi, what's up? Your thread. What do you think?

Tom


 

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Starkman
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   Posted 3/16/2006 6:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Note now Tom was the first to chime in, and that with a positve Why Not! See, he's a missionary, and he's really gotten into that adapt-to-the-culture thing. Your next mission, Tom: Papa New Guinea!

Oh, and Humphry...
Yes. If the person you eat is a universalist, then it is OK.

I see. The person (being eaten) would say, "Of course you may eat me, but all of you must eat me. No favortism."

I, myself, don't know if a line can be drawn in the food chain between man (having been made in the image of God) and animals. Is man (even in a fallen state) "above" the food chain, or is he as good as the next animal? If he is, then why must there be a crisis before we will say it is okay to eat him? Why not set up a soilent green system right now for those people who are up to the task of chowing down on humans? I mean, if it's economical, what's the problem?!

I think, though, something about the nobility of mankind calls for us to respect him, be he alive or dead. To eat something is to say something about it's place or status as the being that it is. We eat animals because they truly are "below" us. What ever other reasons we eat them, it is first and foremost because there is no sense of violation (unless you're a vegetarian because you think otherwise) in eating them. But to eat humans, unless, perhaps, there is a crisis, is to say, in some regard, "I valued you when you were alive, but it doesn't mean much now that you're dead," at least not in western culture thinking. In other countries, however, this apparently is not the case, but we are also talking, for most part, about a different concept of God, too, in those areas then the Christian concept of God.

As for eating humans only in a crisis, what (and how) will constitute the "crisis"? Will it only be a Donner's Pass, or will it be something similar to Soilent Green (killer movie, by the way)? There is an ethic here, and that should cause us to consider carefully, as Mephi has asked us to do, whether we are already out of bounds, or very close to its borders.

Finally, my first reaction to having to eat someone to stay alive (the Donner issue) is "Yuk!" I mean, just the idea is repulsive. Why? Because I value a corpse in that I have valued the life that was in the corpse. I have a hard time separating the two as I can a cow's corpse from when it is alive. However, being that I love to cook, if I could find some complementary seasons and spices, I'm thinking, "Dude, come an eat!" (Hey, there's enough of Meph to go around for everyone. I say we plan dinner for 20 at Tom's house!)

Anyway, it's a tough issue.

Starkman


My teacher used to say that whenever he read Scripture, he would always ask the question, "What does this have to say about the character of God?"  Working off his thinking, as I read Scripture, I have come to ask, "What does this have to say about the heart and passion of God's desire for relationship for us?

Post Edited (Starkman) : 3/16/2006 5:40:55 PM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 3/18/2006 3:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm with Starkman--it's a tough issue. I would say IF a person volitionally sacrificed his life (and by that I mean that he/she committed suicide without asking others to "help" perform the killing), there would be nothing wrong with eating the flesh to survive. But because it's a difficult question, Rom. 14 would compel me to stay on the conservative side in the circumstance where the "willing sacrifice" did not have the will or ability to single-handedly kill their own self, sacrificially. But that's personally where I would have to come down, given my limited knowledge. If someone can deduce otherwise, I'm open.


 

Post Edited (jefscott) : 3/18/2006 8:33:24 PM (GMT-6)

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