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trosie
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Posted 9/5/2006 11:36 AM (GMT -6)

I'm serious about this question and would appreciate any responses you can give.

I am passionate about reconciliation and tearing down divisions. I was wondering though if it was at the Tower of Babel that segregation and discrimination tooks it's roots? God caused the people to begin speaking various languages...

Any thoughts?

Thank you!

trosie

PotOnWheel
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Posted 9/5/2006 4:03 PM (GMT -6)

Trosie, remember the racist guy, years ago, who kept saying that God separated the nations...and that interracial families were evil.\?

Drop kick the notion you are wrestling with. Its not worthy.

And I can demonstrate that for you: Babel illustrates that God MERCIFULLY will stand against mankind's sinful tendency to replace God. (that's 'A' in the syllogism) And...Loving God and loving man are completely bound together. ('b') Therefore ('C') we should expect that Babel was accomplished aat expense of many. Therefore, the scene is MAN'S fault, and not God's. Neither is segregation, racism, racial divisions part of God's plan.

(o)

PotOnWheel
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Posted 9/5/2006 4:09 PM (GMT -6)

Here's a discussion from years back -- a different one than the one I'd mentioned above!

http://www.opentheismboard.org/default.aspx?f=6&m=32770

Racial Reconciliation?

(o)

Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!

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Posted 9/5/2006 8:40 PM (GMT -6)

Hey Trosie,

Good to see you on here again. Just a quick thought I had. I kinda think that segregation, the type where people can't live together under one roof, started with Cain and Abel. The root of segregation and wrongful discrimination is hatred. And because of Cain's actions, he had to leave his homeland for another - he wrongfully discriminated against his brother because he couldn't understand why God accepted Abel's sacrifice.

Speaking about discrimination... God did discriminate between Cain and Abel when they both gave their offerings. Noah was also in a sense segregated from his community: Noah in the ark, others not.

So all that being said, I guess my main thought is that perhaps it's evil that causes segregation to occur in the first place.

Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!

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Posted 9/5/2006 8:43 PM (GMT -6)

But as far as racial discrimination is concerned, I think you may be right about Babel. It may have started there.

The possibility of wrongful discrimination and segregation was already in the hearts of those people. They could have stayed together and learned each other's languages... but they didn't. I kinda wonder why. Hmm..

trosie
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Posted 9/5/2006 8:55 PM (GMT -6)

Thank you POW and Violin for God for your help. I am so thankful for this board (even though I haven't utilized if for a while) because it is one place where I can find other people searching out their faith without reservations....

Thanks so much for your input. Thanks for reminding me that God will not stand for sinful behavior from his children. And thanks for reminding me where the root of discrimination comes from -- HATRED.

POW -- Just to clarify... I am NOT for segregation and I believe that a person should marry the person they feel in their heart. However, folks who yolk unevenly in faith will have an uphill journey. I don't recall the fellow you mentioned but that is a sad belief system he had is so sad. I agree that God is a jealous God and commands us to have NO other gods as idols. I wonder how come God chose to correct the people in such a way. The reason I wonder is because I find it a barrier when working with folks who do not speak English since that is the only language I speak fluently....

Violin for God -- Evil causes segregation to occur in the first place (just like in the Tower of Babel) but I am flustered by the way in which God sometimes chose to react in the Old Testament. It almost seemed like often the correction was extreme (like causing the people to speak various languages)

Blessings!
trosie

PotOnWheel
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Posted 9/6/2006 5:59 AM (GMT -6)

I think that -- perhaps -- just as in the fall that the curse was also a blessing (death meant a limitation of sin and corruption, to save Adam for the possibility of reunion with God), perhaps the polyglot of languages also was a sort of blessing. The text does give the reason. Perhaps to not divide would have allowed worse.

(o)

trosie
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Posted 9/7/2006 12:14 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks, POW. I understand now. To divide may have been the worse of two choices.

That makes sense!
trosie

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