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|  Tigress Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1252 | Posted 1/13/2004 11:16 AM (GMT -6) |   | I've been reading through peoples' accounts of the supernatural on a website called The Shadowlands for the last several months and this account really stood out to me. I wonder if the two boys who did the shooting were heavily influenced by these same spirit forces. Actually, I don't wonder - I know. This person also says the paranormal activity is still pretty active after the shootings. And certain specific occurances started happening that didn't happen before the shootings.
I think when the devil can influence humans to commit sins, he gains power and control over that territory. That's why that one pagan king in the Old Testament sacrificed his son to idols before a great battle with Israel - and won that battle. God's children need to be pure and do good, for The Holy Spirit to work powerfully and effectively for good in the world and to spread God's Kingdom, and Satan needs his followers and others who are not Christian to commit sins for his kingdom to move forward.
"Littleton Colorado
By: VeraLissar@aol.com
I dont know if this exactally counts but in Littleton there have always been strange happenings. In my house things dissapear all the time and we can never find them, lights never works and we have problems with our heat. Certain rooms are always cold and at the top of the staircase there are scents of food cooking when there is no food cooking in the kitchen downstairs, theres never the scent anywhere else in the house. There is a spot above the fireplace where the paint has chipped off in the shape of a strange animal we jokingly call the rat squirell, but you get an uneasy feeling if you look at it long enough. I have a friend who refuses to sleep in the same room with it. Many of my friends report simaler feelings of cold or being uneasy in various parts of their houses. In a nieghborhood known as The Valley many people have reported gohst sightings and strange happenings such as objects going missing or being rearanged in the night, strange noises, and things being destroyed. A friend of mine has many stories about strange happenings in his basement, such as a time a large neon sign hanging on his wall began shaking violently for no apparent reason. Another friend of mine who lives in the vally showed me to a spot in her house where she belived was some sort of negative energy or gateway to another world. When i sat in it i became overwhelmed with feelings of depression and anger, and that night i had bizzar dreams, some of which ended up being clairvoiant. It is kind of an urban legand around here that the valley is nothing more than a huge idian barrial ground, some people also say that it was a spot the donner party traveled trough before they got stuck. Many people i know who moved here from relitively far away (my self included) say they have devleoped clairvoiant dreams and feelings of precognition. And Clemit Park had been the site of many strange occurances even before the tragedy at Columbine. I was told by a friends older brother when i first moved here that the library in Clemit Park was haunted, and if you stayed ther late at night you could see mists by the booksheves and the computers wont work right. I later heard simaler stories from a girl whos mother worked at the library, and she told me of seeing flashing lights over the lake outside the library. Many of my friends have said they have been visited by spirits of some type or strange occurances since Columbine, either in dreams or when wide awake, and i myself woke up one night to see a friend of mine who died recently sitting on my couch. I blinked my eyes a couple times and he was gone, but there was a strange feeling about the room, strangly, not a negative one. I only know for sure what i have experianced for my self, but many of the stories i've heard have simalarities to each other and my own experiances, although a lot of them come from around the high school and other adaults i know who are considered eccentric hippies. Therefor this my not be the most reliable of stories, but i thought i'd offer the information because most everyone around here agrees that there are certain places you go around here and it feels like youve walked right into a steven king novel. I would suggest checking out The Valley, Clemit Park, Chatfield Resevoir, and the areas around Chatfield Ave."
I think Biblical scholars could read this and safely conclude that it's not simply a lie. This person really believes what he or she is saying. Whether what he/she describes is supernatural activity or not is another story but considering what happened at the school, I wouldn't be surprised at all if these things are really what he/she thinks they are.
Here's the website address: www.theshadowlands.net/ghost Tigress 
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 |  wondering04 Registered Member
 Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 45 | Posted 1/14/2004 1:32 AM (GMT -6) |   | Dear Tigress,
I spent many years in the occult, 35 to be precise, and when I read something like the account by the person above it saddens me. I actually worked with ghost hunters for awhile and there are remarkably few real sightings of ghosts.
This person is very hungry for real spiritual activity, and is unfortunately influenced by satan in the form of radio waves, TV movies and the like. It is often that satan will give a person what they feel will be a "legitimate" sighting to keep them focused from the real thing, the only spirituality that matters, God.
I know that people will also believe that there can be good spirituality. That they use their new age things for healing, for helping people, for prophesy, and even exorcisms. I asked the pastor who brought me to salvation, about why all the occult was considered bad. We spent many months debating the issue and during our conversations he pointed me to a great book, "The Beautiful Side of Evil." This is a book about a spiritual healer who thought she was about Jesus' work of healing, and finally had her eyes opened and saw that it was really satan behind her visions.
My pastor said that all satan has to do, since he is the author of sickness and disease, is to lift his hand from the person and they will seem to get well, stop being possessed. But that it is an appearance, because satan's goal is to get the person to believe that they have done a good thing, done a healing or exorcism. But in reality they have done nothing, just been tricked by satan again. I suppose that is why Jesus said that some casting out of demons must be done with prayer and fasting. Our vision can easily be clouded by error.
I still struggle with issues about God and trusting God, and have a lot of old garbage to clean up before I get to where I need to be, but one thing that I have realized is that there really is a satan. But that his power is more limited than we want to think.
I don't know who this person is who wrote in, or if you have any contact with her, you may want to tell her that it is better to just fill her mind with stuff from the Word, kind of crowds out the things from satan.
Yes there is demonic possession, but it is not as prevalent as people want to believe. Satan doesn't have to move that intensely to affect people, he is more subtle. If you study the word you see that much of what he does is half truths and subtle suggestions. If he were more obvious, then people would get serious about banishing him.
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 |  Tigress Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1252 | Posted 1/16/2004 7:57 AM (GMT -6) |   | Heather, I agree with you whole-heartedly that everyone should focus solely on Jesus and the Bible, etc. I'm not saying that Satan has any more power than limited. I just wanted to make people aware of a different side to the fight for the lost that many Christians choose to ignore. These things that people are experiencing and feeling are real, and I believe that most are the subtle ways Satan tries to get their attention. All the more reason for Christians to tell them exactly what you just said above!
When people believe they see or hear from the spirits of dead relatives, they're actually seeing demons in disguise. When people have psychic abilities and call them "gifts" they're wrong. Those abilities have likely been passed down generations through their family from ancestors who were involved in the occult. They were not given to them by God. Satan masquerades as an angel of light, so when people like white witches or whatever try to do good things with occultic power, they're really only serving Satan's purposes of drawing people away from Jesus to another type of religion.
Have you ever read "God at War" by Greg Boyd. In it he mentioned that in most parts of the world, there is a lot of spiritual activity going on, that we don't see as much in the Western world. People do see ghosts, demons, and occultic power all over the world because that's how Satan tries to get them to be afraid of him. But in the West, people are more scientific in their thinking so they're skeptical about such accounts. So Satan has tried to get Westerners to put their faith in science and not in anything unseen, including the one true God.
I posted this account to show that Satan's spiritual deception is starting to creep into the West now. There are thousands of accounts on that site alone that describe things that are very similar to each other, which tells me that Satan and his demons are all out there trying the same things on lots of people. Most of these events occur in places where suicides or murders took place, again pointing to the probability that the sinful action opened a door for Satan and his demons to claim the territory the sin took place in as their own. Sometimes a priest can bless the house and they'll go away, but not always. Sometimes the events started happening after people used Oujia boards or did some other type of occultic practice. Those are invitations to Satan and his demons. So again, people need to be told to stay away from the occult and look toward Jesus. Tigress 
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