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Corey
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Posted 10/10/2006 7:24 AM (GMT -6)

For those of you who attend WHC, I've been wondering... whatever became of the "Black Stallion" vision that the leadership got for the church at a retreat a year or two ago? Greg mentioned it in a sermon without explaining it at all, saying it was coming later. But we never heard anything about it about it again, that I'm aware of. So what was that all about?

Just wondering if that vision might have anything to do with this vision of the beautiful life.

One Love
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Posted 10/10/2006 7:50 AM (GMT -6)

Corey:
For those of you who attend WHC, I've been wondering... whatever became of the "Black Stallion" vision that the leadership got for the church at a retreat a year or two ago? Greg mentioned it in a sermon without explaining it at all, saying it was coming later. But we never heard anything about it about it again, that I'm aware of. So what was that all about?

Just wondering if that vision might have anything to do with this vision of the beautiful life.

Filling in some details.

God gave the Executive Pastor of our church a vision about a black stallion waaaaay in the distance. And it was galloping full speed in her direction. God spoke very clearly and said that "It is coming." and that we had to be prepared to leap on the back of the stallion when it made it's way to us.

The leadership is still in the process of discerning exactly what they think it may mean. They have some ideas...but I don't want to speak for them, when they haven't given that clarity to staff yet.

I will say this...from my own perspective.

I believe that the black stallion has something to do with TIMING.

I find it very hard to believe that the Beautiful Life 40-day thing we are doing...just HAPPENS to be the same time that Doc finds himself in the MEDIA limelight because of "Myth of a Christian Nation". (The Beautiful Life concept was originated in the heart of our Community Pastor A FULL YEAR OR SO ago...before ANY of the NYT stuff happened. It's been in the works for a while!) It was a COMPLETE SURPRISE to everyone (especially Greg!!!) when WHC was featured on the front page of the New York Times. NO ONE KNOWS how it happened, really. Even the lady doing the article was completely dumbfounded about it. It was supposed to be a harmless BY-LINE somewhere deep in the Times. But somehow, it made its way to the FRONT PAGE of the most read newspaper...IN...THE...WORLD!

Coincidence? Maybe.

But I don't think so.

We've had more people downloading sermons from the church than we EVER HAVE before. We've literally had to increase computer capacity and everything. Greg's popularity doesn't seem to be slowing. At all! And Greg isn't fazed at all. He just wants God's BEAUTY to be shown. [Oh, by the way, before he went on Charlie Rose...God spoke a clear word to Greg that he talked about in a sermon where God said "JUST SHOW THEM MY BEAUTY, GREG!"] And what's the hot topic in North American theology right now (via von Belthassar and David Bentley Hart)?

BEAUTY

Ok. Sure, someone could say that this is all coincidence.

But I don't.

I see the Black Stallion as being almost here...if not here right now.

And I think that we are ready for it.

I could be wrong about my interpretation. But it's encouraging to think about circumstances from this vantagepoint to me.

Be encouraged, WHC people. God is moving.

"All is full of love." -- Bjork

"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b

"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's nature." -- the new mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :)

Post Edited (MephEternal) : 10/10/2006 8:14:23 AM (GMT-5)

One Love
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Posted 10/10/2006 8:03 AM (GMT -6)

Check out Greg's Sermon for the week. He kicked off the Beautiful Life series.

THE CROWN OF BEAUTY
www.whchurch.org/content/page_173.htm

I'll be preaching the 3rd week of it.

"All is full of love." -- Bjork

"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b

"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's nature." -- the new mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :)

One Love
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Posted 10/10/2006 8:08 AM (GMT -6)

One more thing that makes me think it's TIMING.

Greg's dissertation was written in 1992.

It's JUST NOW that he's remembering and focusing on how MUCH his trinitarian reconstruction was BASED on the idea of BEAUTY. Now...after all these years...when all this OTHER STUFF is going on. He mentions this in the sermon.

Coincidence? Really?

No way, baby!

"All is full of love." -- Bjork

"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b

"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's nature." -- the new mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :)

Tom
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Posted 10/10/2006 8:20 AM (GMT -6)

Mephi: (via von Belthassar and David Bentley Hart)?

Tom: I earlier mispelled (intentionally?) Balthassar's name as "Belt"-hassar. I'm Tom BELT? Just a joke! Maybe wishful thinking. But it's Balthassar. Ha!

Tom

Corey
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Posted 10/10/2006 8:25 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks for that, Meph.

I want to do a reading group around von Balthassar... Anyone interested?

One Love
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Posted 10/10/2006 10:44 AM (GMT -6)

I'm down. We'll talk about it.

Tom
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Posted 10/10/2006 12:36 PM (GMT -6)

von Balthassar? For sure. Let's do it after we finish SK. One revolution at a time please.

Tom

Corey
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Posted 10/10/2006 12:48 PM (GMT -6)

A while ago I suggested von Balthassar to Modes for next summer's reading, but didn't hear back from him. Not sure what he thinks about it. Meph, ask him about it sometime.

Tom
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Posted 10/11/2006 7:42 AM (GMT -6)

I'm not here next summer. May/early June I'm taking NCU student on a study trip to...yep...Israel. My agreement with NCU comes to an end the day I get back into town from that trip. We might be heading back overseas, might be moving, might not be moving. Don't know. So the only way for me to guarantee that I can do a VB group is to do it Jan thru April.

Butcha gotta do it when most can do it. That's cool.

Tom

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