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|  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/12/2006 9:07 AM (GMT -6) |   | A Thought...about what human existence will be like in the Age of God's Reign...
I believe that there will be...
individual and societal freedom from anxiety-grounded self-limitations
combined with...
an individually appropriated, yet socially-expressed communal, relational understanding of the "common good"
in the context of universal unconditional love and reverence of the neighbor...
which is grounded on NOTHING save...
1) their healthy self-understanding of being in the Image of the Truine God
and...
2) the aesthetic satisfcation that occurs from being unified with the Triune God.
What a wonderful world that will be!
"All is full of love." -- Bjork
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's all-loving nature." -- the newest mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :) Post Edited (Namaste) : 10/12/2006 9:15:11 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Tom Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 10353 | Posted 10/12/2006 4:48 PM (GMT -6) |   | I think we're on the same page. I just wouldn't want people to misunderstand the idea of relative meaningless (either regarding us where God is experienced or regarding the world where our experience of God is concerned). What we want to say is that we're so secure in Christ, our identity so centered in his love, that nothing that occurs in the world would cause us to ever fall into anxiety or dispair. But that doesn't mean we're impassible vis-a-vis the world. It just means we're always appropriately respond to what's happening and we never feel anxiety or dispair. We would feel joy, pain, saddness, disgust, etc. We might even kick the money changers out of the temple, turn their tables over, and give 'em a lashing. SOME might say this is over the top anger. But if Jesus is a safe guide, it can be an appropriate response.
Yeah, Tom
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  |  Similitude Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2004 Total Posts : 4968 | Posted 7/28/2012 6:14 PM (GMT -6) |   | from the third link:
First, "love the sinner, hate the sin" is an unbiblical concept. Many people think that this is a divine command, but it actually doesn't appear anywhere in the Bible. Although God clearly "hates" sin in the Bible (sane in Hebrew and miseo in the Greek), God never demands that we carry out this hatred on God's behalf. God is perfectly capable of addressing the sins of others without needing our third-party intervention. Those who truly believe in "hating sin" probably should focus more on hating their own sins (i.e., first taking the log out of their own eyes, as Jesus says) instead of hating the sins of others. (See Matt. 7:5 and Luke 6:42.)
Let's apply this to government. Say you live in a state where legislators, rather than voting themselves on whether gay marriage will be recognized by the government, put the issue to the voters via a constitutional amendment vote. Should Christians not vote? Should they vote some particular way? How would he say this should play out? What about any such contitutional amendment vote that affects another's rights, privileges or immunities?
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