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One Love
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   Posted 10/19/2006 11:07 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just something. Some thoughts I'm having...

The more we KNOW God in this life...the more FAITH we will have in God...and the more UNDERSTANDING we will have about reality.

In other words, God wants us to KNOW him so well as we are unified with him more and more through the Holy Spirit...

That we KNOW God's power and authority to accomplish God's purposes.

We don't "believe"

We KNOW.

We KNOW because our continuous experience with God corrects the noetic BLINDERS that we have on...because of our despair (sin)

We acquire "properly-basic" knowledge of God!

And we bring that knowledge into our beliefs about reality.

(Damn. Plantinga was right. Isn't that interesting?)

AND then our rational deliberation that works upon our beliefs...

will be guided...

By the "mind of Christ."

How does this play out???

Well...here's one way...

When we are trying to discern God's will for a situation...or believe God for something...

God wants us to have possess a "WILL"-oriented faith...

..while having a "MIGHT/MIGHT NOT"-oriented understanding of reality that contextualizes the exercise of faith.


See when we have a "WILL" oriented faith...

We are able to have very compelling mental images of future activity based on our beliefs about God's ability to do things that other people would call "miraculous" or "impossible"...

And those beliefs about God's ability have been formed by one's historical, multi-level personal experiences with God

From that body of information to REMEMBER...and presently understand a simple truth...

"For with God, all things are possible.

We have these future-oriented images so compellingly, that it is almost as if it's a CERTAINTY to us that God not only CAN do a certain thing...but WILL do a certain thing. It's almost as if we can fully"see" ourselves in that possible future where the thing we ask for HAS COME to pass.

It's having the height of healthy expectancy BECAUSE of what you know about God's love and power!

This is the "faith" that Jesus was looking for in his people...

And couldn't find.

As hard as he tried to find it.

Yes, they were glimpses...but...

It was always the same thing...

When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly."

Jesus said to him, "Shall I come and heal him?"

The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."

When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, "Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour.


Anyways...

While we have THAT KIND of "faith"...

We need to have an accurate understanding of REALITY to contextualize that concept of "faith"

If one believes that the universe is an OPEN SYSTEM...

where presentism, indeterminacy, and ontological autonomy actually exist...

Where the FUNDAMENTAL NATURE OF REALITY...

is BECOMING...NOT SUBSTANCTIAL "BEING"...

where "MIGHT" and "MIGHT-NOT" rule the day...

Then we have to understand God's INTERACTION with us from that framework!

This basically means that if God tells us something...

If God says that someting WILL happen...

If God says that some provision WILL happen that doesn't get there...

If God say that some dream WILL come to pass that does not...

(Just like when the Hebrews writer talks about some of the people of faith NOT receiving the promise...)

We understand that God's plan is ALL-EMCOMPASSING enough that...

on certain levels of the Grand Plan of the Universe...

God MAY change his mind, due to new circumstances!

This is not a sign that God doesn't love us.

This is not a sign that God isn't there.

This is not a sign that God may not be powerful enough to save ALL beings.

It is ONLY a sign that there are things at play that WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND...

And we must continue to TRUST that God's power, love, and providence exist such that...

"...in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who [ Or that all things work together for good to those who love God, who; or that in all things God works together with those who love him to bring about what is good—with those who] have been called according to his purpose."

It was this kind of faith with understanding that allowed the 3 Hebrew boys to say...

"Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, "King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If the God we serve is able to deliver us, then he will deliver us from the blazing furnace and from Your Majesty's hand. But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up"

In other words...

"King, we have a "will" faith that tells us that our God is MORE THAN CAPABLE of saving us from this fire that you think is so devastating. We see the picture in our minds! However, we also have a "might/might not" understanding that lets us know that we DON'T KNOW everything that is going on with Creation. There may be some reason why we will not be saved...that we cannot now know. So, we acknowledge the fact that we MIGHT NOT be saved. But it doesn't matter. We trust in our God enough to know that he IS the God that we define our lives by! And we will not bow down to your insipid idol."

Moreover...

Once one "knows" God more and more...

One understands that God can use ANY EXPERIENCE that they have...

Can been an occasion for them to percieve a DIFFERENT BEAUTIFUL ASPECT...

of God's loving, gracious glory.

They also understand that God can use THEM to demonstrate God's loving, gracious glory...

to themselves and their neighbors at all times.

To be the full CHRIST-LIKE beings they were intended to be. (theosis?)

Which is GOD's predestined plan for humanity

And they can say...

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

or...

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, have been called according to his purpose.

or...

And we know that in all things God works together with those who love him to bring about what is good—with those who have been called according to his purpose.


and mean ALL of them...just the same.


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Can y'all imagine what it would be like if people REALLY understood this?

We would begin to fundamentally trust God in all things.

We be able to reasonably separate the painful ugliness that we feel in the world...

from what we BELIEVE about God and God's character.

Exit all theodicy.

All of it.

Hmmm...

I guess that's all.


"All is full of love."  -- Bjork
 
 
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
 
 
"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's love." -- the newest mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :)

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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 10/19/2006 7:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Faith, Fear, Love, Knowledge
 
 
Look at Clement of Alexandria:
 
Clement / VI. The Work of Christ / g through h
 
 
(g) Progress to Salvation by Faith, Fear, Love, Knowledge
 
You have, Ο men, the divine proclamation of grace; you have heard also, on the other hand, the threat of punishment. Through these the Lord saves, guiding man by fear and grace.
Ibid, χ (95, i)
 
The first inclination towards salvation is displayed to us as faith, then follows fear and hope and repentance: these, advancing with the help of discipline and endurance, lead us to love and knowledge.
Stromateis, n. vi (31, i)
 
For the man who walks by reason the first lesson is the knowledge of his ignorance. A man who is ignorant begins his search, and thereby finds the teacher. Having found him he believes, and having believed he hopes, then loves, and hence is made like to the loved one, eager to be that which he has first come to love.
Ibid. v. vii (17, i)
 
The first starting-point is learning with fear, which leads us to abstain from wickedness; the second is hope, which leads us to aim at the best, while love completes the process, as is fitting, by training us in the way of knowledge.
Ibid. rv. vii (54)
 
 
(h) Salvation by Enlightenment
 
The darkness is the ignorance which causes us to fall into sins, being blunted in our perception of the truth. Knowledge is enlightenment, which banishes our ignorance and administers a corrective. The casting away of the worse is the revelation of the better. For what ignorance had bound is released through growing knowledge. And these bonds are done away speedily by faith, on the part of man, by grace from the side of God, when our sins are forgiven by the spiritual medicine of baptism.
Paedagogus, i. vi (29)
 
When a man is reminded of the better, of necessity he repents of the worse.
Ibid. i. vi (32)
 
The ‘Gnostic’ is saved, we may suppose, owing to his apprehension of the good and the bad life, for as well in knowledge as in activity he ‘exceeds the Scribes and the Pharisees.’
Stromateis, vi. xv (115)
 
The heavenly and truly divine desire comes to men in this way, when the ideal2 is kindled in the soul itself by the divine Word and is able to shine out; and, best of all, salvation immediately attends on noble willing, will and life being, one might say, yoke-fellows.
Protrepticus, xi (117)
 
As those who have shaken off sleep are at once awake within, or rather, as those who try to remove a film from the eyes do not supply the sunlight for the eyes, which is not theirs to supply, but remove hindrances to vision and leave the eye free to see: so in baptism by the divine Spirit we get rid of the sins which dim our eyes like a mist, and leave the eye of the spirit free and unhindered and enlightened. By this eye alone we behold God, when the Holy Spirit pours into us from Heaven.
Paedagogus, i. vi (28)
 
The Lord, as God and man, gives us all kinds of profit and help. As God he forgives our sins; as man he educates us to be free from sin.
Ibid. i. iii (7)
 


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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 10/19/2006 7:04 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Clement of Alexandria:

The first inclination towards salvation is displayed to us as faith, then follows fear and hope and repentance: these, advancing with the help of discipline and endurance, lead us to love and knowledge.
Stromateis, n. vi (31, i)


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