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One Love
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| Posted 10/25/2006 10:38 AM (GMT -6) |   | Imagine that you have on $10,000 worth of white formal wear (Armani or something like that) that you borrowed for a special occasion. It's pretty durable...so you are not worried about wear and tear, especially And if you ruin it, for any reason, you bought it.
Somehow, you come across a 10 year old child who is playing recklessly around an open sewage deposit. You try to tell the child to get away from there, but they flip you off and don't listen. You try to tell him again. The kid angrily yells "#*($ you! I'm gonna do what I want!" Out of this kid's anger, he is being defiant to the point of being UNSAFE.
Then the inevitable happens...the kid falls in.
Damn.
"That kid! It's his OWN FAULT that he is in this mess."
You rush over to see if the kid's alright. It seems like the kid is badly hurt, and needs to get out.
But he and his surroundings are absolutely FILTHY.
There is NASTINESS in there.
It's utterly disgusting to you.
The very smell makes you want to vomit.
Everything in there seems to be rotten or moldy.
There are HYPODERMIC NEEDLES and USED CONDOMS in there!
The kid needs immediate attention. There's open gash wounds where blood's coming out. The kid is thrashing around in pain...which is NOT helpful! The longer the kid stays in there, the more chance there is of life-threatening infection to his wounds. And the stuff is pretty deep too. It's going to take some time and effort to get him out of that.
There's no one else around to help.
The kid could DIE!
There's no time to get anyone else to help. You have no cellphone.
You don't have TIME to take off your clothes.
If you jump in, you WILL ruin the clothes. There's no doubt about that. And the kid, even though he's badly hurt, is STILL telling you to "Go $*$# yourself!"
What would you do?
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Would you save the kid at the expense of a $10,000 bill..and the chance of you being infected by some biohazard in there?
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Now...on the off chance that you would save the kid...WHY would you save the kid?
Would you say that the kid was NOT EQUIVALENT to the filth that he fell into...that he was more priceless as a human being than 10,000 of your outfits?
Would you say that the kid was WORTH your sacrifice?
Or would you LEAVE the kid in their because it was his own fault that he fell in there...
And call that "honoring his dignity for free choice"
What option would you choose?
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Ok...
Now..
"Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
In other words, if we, sinners that we are, would even THINK of risking ourselves to save the rebellious 10 year old boy at SERIOUS RISK to ourselves...
Isn't it possible that God would save us from OUR disgusting state...because, on some level, we are NOT the filth that so easily besets us?
Isn't it POSSIBLE that God sees our inner beauty SO CLEARLY and loves us SO much that God would NOT leave us in such a filthy disgusting state?
ANY of us.
Satan included.
What do YOU think?
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Something else.
If your loved one was SICK...
Very sick...
and because of their SICKNESS...
They SPEWWED disgusting smelling and looking material.
simultaneous diarrhea and projectile vomiting...
ick.
Would you UNCONDITIONALLY LOVE your loved one enough...
to brave the smell and the potential contamination...
to help your loved one get WELL...
to CLEAN up the UGLINESS around them?
Would it be true for you that your loved one was NOT EQUAL to the filth involved with their sickness?
Would you do EVERYTHING YOU COULD to see them well?
Would you FORGIVE THEM if they said or did hurtful things BECAUSE of the pain from their sickness?
Would you HELP your loved one UNTO BEING WELL?
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Again, is it POSSIBLE that God sees sin like this?
Is it possible that God can go BEYOND his disgust of ugliness and sin...through the work of Christ...
to save ALL spiritually sick beings who cause UGLINESS out of their WILLED sickness?
I'm just asking if it's POSSIBLE...
"All is full of love." -- Bjork
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's love." -- the newest mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :) Post Edited (Namaste) : 10/25/2006 10:43:49 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 10/25/2006 12:15 PM (GMT -6) | | Selah:
AND if the kid was satan, perhaps it would be MORE LOVING for God to leave him in his own mess. That way he couldn't continue doing the evil he does to others. (The evil he does...according to who he IS "the evil ONE"
...what about that?
I don't know if you should be in on this, Selah. I don't want to be the source of problems for you...(remember our talk?)
But since you're here...
So it's good to CONTAIN the kid in his own mess, lest the kid hurts other people. It's actually LOVING to do that...even though leaving him there means that the kid will die.
Ok.
Would you say that we leave the kid in their unto his ULTIMATE HARM (death)...even if we KNOW that there is always a genuine possibility that the kid can be rehabilitated from his despairing anger sometime in the future?
If we had SOME REASON to believe that NO person can be irrevocably evil...
that EVERY BEING, no matter how permeated with evil,
still has a POSSIBILITY of relating well to God...
Wouldn't we believe that God's INFINITE love would outlast a FINITE being's ability to reject love?
Is it really the case that a sponge can suck up the whole OCEAN?
Hmmm...
"All is full of love." -- Bjork
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
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selah
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| Posted 10/25/2006 9:58 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Namaste said...
I don't know if you should be in on this, Selah. I don't want to be the source of problems for you...(remember our talk?)
selah:
Don't worry you're not the source of my problems... S.a.t.a.n. is! (remember I hate satan!)
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Is it really the case that a sponge can suck up the whole OCEAN?
selah:
Guess it depends on the potential of the sponge. 
.....ok I'll bow out now!
Blessings,
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