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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 11/22/2006 7:18 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 11/22/2006 8:38 AM (GMT -6) |   | POW: Is this a change in your position?
N/D/ THEN: "the locus of coinherence is the HOLY SPIRIT of God."
N/D/ NOW: I'm saying that it is the Father's dispositional reality for self-communication, which subsists in ALL THREE DIVINE PERSONS, where we "look" for coinherence in God. The dispositional reality of the Father contains ALL the "essential character" of the Godhead.
Not at all.
The Father's dispositional reality for self-communication IS the Holy Spirit of God. The Father himself has actual and dispositional reality. As I told Greg, there is no metaphysical (or other) reason why we shouldn't consider this dispositional reality to be the Spirit of God. (Greg conceded this.) He wanted to say that the Holy Spirit only "proceeds" as a social disposition between the Father and Son. But this "social disposition" is merely an EXPANSION of the Father's own disposition for self-communication into sociality. So both the Father's disposition AND the social disposition between Father and Son are the SAME disposition essentially.
Because of how this works, it is true that all of the persons of the Trinity ALL participate in the REALITY of the Father's disposition. The dispositional reality of the Father has all of the "essential character" of the Godhead...and this dispositional reality subsists in all of the divine persons.This dispositional reality IS the "locus" of coinherence. It is HOW all of the persons of the Godhead are FULLY GOD within themselves.
I know that this is a different paradigm for you...but do you see what I'm saying?
"All is full of love." -- Bjork
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's love." -- the newest mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :)
Everything that will be well...is well already! Post Edited (Namaste) : 11/22/2006 7:49:11 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
  |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 1/3/2007 8:13 AM (GMT -6) |   |
Exousia said...I found this very interesting...this obscure thought linked to St. Methodius.. www.newadvent.org/fathers/0630.htmPerhaps these three persons of our ancestors, being in an image the consubstantial representatives of humanity, are, as also Methodius thinks, types of the Holy and Consubstantial Trinity, the innocent and unbegotten Adam being the type and resemblance of God the Father Almighty, who is uncaused, and the cause of all; his begotten son shadowing forth the image of the begotten Son and Word of God; whilst Eve, that proceedeth forth from Adam, signifies the person and procession of the Holy Spirit.
This is allegory.
To unlock it, BEGIN with the observation that IN THE ECONOMY the Holy Spirit PERFECTS.
The woman--Eve--can be considered to "perfect" the creation of man, guiding and shaping according to the "word" of human creation.
And remember, that's allegory.
BUT NOTICE THAT IT IS about THE ECONOMY.
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Anything to do with the Trinity proper is simultaneous and mutual.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 4/3/2010 5:09 PM (GMT -6) |   | Do we ever leave God's "womb"? Do we ever "wean" off of God's breasts? Do we ever leave the "motherly" support of God?
Ever?
Hint: El Shaddai.
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!
Was Jesus under the influence of the Spirit of the Trinity when he said this? Yep.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 4/3/2010 5:25 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Divine Filiation
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For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.
Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 4/24/2010 10:02 AM (GMT -6) |   |
The cause of the Catholic clergy's sex-abuse scandal is no mystery: insular groups of men often do bad things. So why not break up the all-male club?
Giraudon-Art Resource / © Giraudon / Art Resource
Published Apr 3, 2010
From the magazine issue dated Apr 12, 2010
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Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 4/24/2010 10:02 AM (GMT -6) |   | | Whole thread
For my only daughter, Ajna Shekinah Hughes-Polk.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Post Edited (One Love) : 4/24/2010 10:05:28 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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