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One Love
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|  Posted 12/27/2006 10:56 AM (GMT -6) |   | Just some thoughts...
Probably just crazy thoughts...
You be the judge.
Anyways...here's the thoughts...
God is a necessary relationship betweeen actuality, disposition, and possibility.
God is the necessary ETERNAL OSCILLATION of those states!
PERFECT SIMULTANEITY (Faster than light motion[?])
This creates the "REFLECTION" effect...where reflections of the Primordial Hypostasis are generated.
(Even the Son and the Spirit come as DERIVATIONS from the Father)
This "REFLECTION" effect leads to SUPERSYMMETRY.
Which seems to go nicely with M-theory...from the little that I understand about it...
This means that...
Necessary Existence is "VIBRATION"
Necessary Existence is SUPERSYMMETRY.
Now we already knew that...
1. Necessary Existence is BEAUTY.
2. Necessary Existence is LOVE.
3. Necessary Existence is RELATIONALLY-APPROPRIATE INTIMACY
in other words...
4. Necessary Existence is PERSPECTIVAL SOCIALITY!
Perhaps we should also say that...
Necessary Existence is the FUNDAMENTAL FREQUENCY of all things!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_frequency
01010101010101010101010101010101010101010101
Off on off on off on off on
sound silence sound silence sound silence sound silence
actuality/disposition---possibility--- actuality/disposition---possibility
Necessary Existence is CONSTANTLY IN PHASE.
(Think Zero-point energy, virtual objects, and cosmological constant)
Analogically,
God is the ROOT NOTE and BASS LINE of the MUSIC of Reality.
Life is a RHYTHM that coheres with this Fundamental Frequency.
And Jesus came to get us BACK IN TUNE with the Fundamental Frequency.
Hmm...
I love Jesus.
Yeah.
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 12/27/2006 11:03 AM (GMT -6) | | |
An all-encompassing "Theory of Everything"?
It's possible that we got that.
What? Impossible, you say??
Never forget...
With God, all things are possible.
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One Love
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| Posted 12/27/2006 11:23 AM (GMT -6) | | One more thought.
God has freely chosen to be a LOVE SLAVE to us.
(Think of how YHWH should continous "chesed" towards His idolatrous people!)
(Think of how Jesus came to SERVE and not to be served!)
The divine life is enhanced IN the enhanced life of the beings within the divine perspective.
God truly IS most glorified in us when WE are MOST SATISFIED in God's love!
Participation in God's "eschatological essence" that he's prepared for us is the BEST POSSIBLE STATE OF AFFAIRS FOR us moment to moment.
God wants nothing but the ABSOLUTE BEST for His Creation!
Jesus proved that.
God is always COMPLETELY on our side...
no matter WHAT PAIN WE EXPERIENCE IN LIFE!
God wants to BELONG to us...as we FREELY CHOOSE TO BELONG TO HIM.
He wants to be our Beloved...as He wants to be our Lover!
Hayell, yeah! 
What do y'all think?
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 12/27/2006 7:32 PM (GMT -6) | | Aum (OM)
Wikipedia:
72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:ZLLEdsF48A4J:tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Om+aum+hindu&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5
Om-The Symbol of Absolute
www.rudraksha-ratna.com/articledt.php?art_id=180
The Mantra Om - Symbol of Primordial Vibration
www.mandalayoga.net/pretty_print.php?rub=what&p=mantra_om&lang=en
Quote...
Seeking the unstruck sound
Ancient teachings and modern science agree: you, I, all living things, all things in existence are made up at their most essential level of vibrating, pulsing energy.
For millennia, mystics have recounted their experience of this energy, which is said to manifest in our hearing awareness as a humming vibration around and within everything else.
Interesting, huh?
Thoughts?
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 12/28/2006 4:55 AM (GMT -6) | | Violin:
So are you saying, "No God = no switching from possibility to actuality to affecting dispositions"? ...that it's only God's existence that enables that movement/switching.
Exactamundo.
It is only God's essential existence that enables PERSPECTIVE, SYMMETRY, and TEMPORALITY.
Amazingly simple, isn't it?
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 12/28/2006 5:43 AM (GMT -6) | | I'm almost certain that THIS is why we keep seeing things about BIRTH, LIFE, DEATH (TRANSITION), and REBIRTH in all of the religions!
It's the same friggin PROCESS.
The ETERNAL process of BECOMING/BEING!
Oscillation between the states of actuality, disposition, and possibility.
Think about it.
It's all there, baby...
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I AM.
YHWH.
The Eternal One who WAS (Past), IS (Present) and IS TO COME (Future)
The God of the POSSIBLE!
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/28/2006 9:35 AM (GMT -6) | | Quote: "God is a necessary relationship betweeen actuality, disposition, and possibility. God is the necessary ETERNAL OSCILLATION of those states!"
Response: A fundamental problem is found with the matter of how *is* gets defined.
WWKurtGodelDo?
Quote: "It is only God's essential existence that enables..."
Response: Another issue is the pair of defining God's essence, and whether everything is limited to grounding in essence anyways.
WWLossky&ZizioulasDo?
Conclusion: Nope.
Reference: "Kurt Godel, in a series of iconoclastic formulae, he showed that the system of Whitehead and Russell could not stand on its own, as the "process theologian" and the avowed atheist (respectively) had claimed. It could not be completely self-referential. It required, for its existence, reference to a higher frame."
Zizoulas is fine with Rahner's statement about essential-trinity and economic-tinity AS LONG AS it has to do with the economy.
WWGregBoydDo?
Greg Boyd said: I don't think we ever know anyone's or anything's "essence." For we only know ANYTHING insofar as its RELATED to us (viz. NOT "in and of itself").
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So...ENTHUSIASM about KARL RAHNER NEEDS SOME TEMPERING. 
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/28/2006 11:02 AM (GMT -6) | | | 1. What kind of "theory of everything" would Kurt Godel allow?
2. What limits on knowledge of essence does Gerg Boyd allow in the above quote?
3. What does John Zizioulas' caveat limiting correspondence between economic and essential trinity give us? (which reminded me of Boyd, btw)
4. What would Lossky think.
FRANKLY, I don't want anything I'd say "considered" and packed into such a "theory of everything."
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One Love
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| Posted 12/28/2006 12:23 PM (GMT -6) | | Bruce,
God WANTS to be KNOWN by us.
As much as we can HANDLE of his self-communication, God WANTS us to KNOW.
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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Violin for God
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| Posted 12/28/2006 9:08 PM (GMT -6) | | Exactamundo.
It is only God's essential existence that enables PERSPECTIVE, SYMMETRY, and TEMPORALITY.
Amazingly simple, isn't it?
Yeah, it is. That's what was scaring me from responding at first... considering how long it took me to grasp some of the topics y'all have discussed before. I'm now in the cautious mode, "do I really understand what is being said here?" [VFG is now excited for being able to understand a bit of something on the first take!] Woo hoo!
BTW, now that you've kept the nickname for a couple of weeks, I've gotta ask... why "Exousia"? (I don't even know what the word means)
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Violin for God
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| Posted 12/28/2006 9:12 PM (GMT -6) | | Which seems to go nicely with M-theory...from the little that I understand about it...
This means that...
Necessary Existence is "VIBRATION"
But this is the part I don't get. Can you bring it down a level? What's this M-Theory? How is necessary existence "vibration"?
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/29/2006 9:16 AM (GMT -6) | |
Exousia said...
God WANTS to be KNOWN by us.
As much as we can HANDLE of his self-communication, God WANTS us to KNOW.
What is typically meant by a "theory of everything" in philosophy or science, and what the Bible refers to when it says "they shall all know me" (Jer.) are different things.
Your statement above looks both "innocent enough" AND "manipulative" enough.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/29/2006 9:35 AM (GMT -6) | | Violin for God wrote: Can you bring it down a level?
So, what do you mean by "God is a necessary relationship betweeen actuality, disposition, and possibility."
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One Love
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| Posted 12/29/2006 11:52 AM (GMT -6) | | Let's answer a couple of questions.
Vi:
I've gotta ask... why "Exousia"? (I don't even know what the word means)
Think "authority"
net.bible.org/strong.php?id=1849
The EXOUSIA that only comes from God...because God is the seat of all EXOUSIA.
I am who I am because of EXOUSIA.
I am an INSTANTIATION of that EXOUSIA.
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Vi:
Can you bring it down a level? What's this M-Theory? How is necessary existence "vibration"?
Let's start here...
M-Theory
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory
Superstring
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring
NOVA: The Elegant Universe
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/
M-Theory is kinda the bringing together of the SUPERSTRING THEORIES about the world.
All things are seen as PATTERNS OF STRING VIBRATION.
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/resonance.html
To me, it makes MOST SENSE to say that necessary existence is ETERNAL OSCILLATION. (Vibration is sometimes used synonomously with oscillation) Meaning, that there is an OSCILLATION (a periodic continuous movement between the maximum and minimum values) between actuality and posibility. Like we see in virtual particles, EVERYTHING is in process. There is spontaneity in coming into existence and passing out of existence. A vibration. A vibration that creates RESONANCE PATTERNS for everything else that exists.
101010101010101010101
Sound silence sound silence sound silence
actuality/disposition---possibility---actuality/disposition---possibility
God provides the the FUNDAMENTAL FREQUENCY and SOURCE OF ALL "STRING" from whence all other "vibrations" come.
The eternal HUM of reality.
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B:
"So what do you mean by: God is a necessary relationship betweeen actuality, disposition, and possibility."
We cannot speak of the FREE, triune God without speaking about actuality, disposition, and possibility. The Father is the Primordial Hypostasis that has eternal REFLECTION of Himself in the begetting and procession of the Son and Spirit, respectively. This "reflection" process would not be possible if the Father had absolutely NO dispositional reality associated with his actuality...and POSSIBILITY associated with his self-reflection. We cannot talk about TRIUNITY without speaking about actuality, disposition, and possibility. But it is only this triune interaction that GROUNDS what we understand as "being" and "becoming"
In my mind, the Triunity of God helps understand a PERFECT SIMULATANEITY of PERSPECTIVE involving the One God's ONE BECOMING/BEING (actuality, disposition, and possibility) God is NECESSARILY a relationship between actuality, disposition, and possibility...because God is NECESSARILY triune.
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Again, these are my developing thoughts. Please, as always, feel free to disagree or contribute constructive criticism!
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/29/2006 12:32 PM (GMT -6) | | | Clearer.
But I'll only grant that you are presenting a "model" for understanding... Not a "definition." (Again, Godel and Boyd..)
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/29/2006 1:02 PM (GMT -6) | |
Exousia said...
Here's another thought...
Communication is NOT POSSIBLE without actuality, disposition, and possibility in play ALL AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME INTERACTION.
Don't believe me?
TRY IT.
Try to even BEGIN any aspect of the communication process without involving actuality, disposition, and possibility at the same time in the same interaction in SOME way.
This would be like us trying to communicate ANYTHING to another without having any SELF-REFLECTION at all (which necessarily deals with a concept of "past, present, and future" in the continuing self; self as object and subject)
It's just not possible.
It's not.
What should this tell us about what Necessary Existence may be like?
Well there, this last post did not raise feelings of discomfort in my like many other posts did. And I can see why this is so. This post asked me to imagine a task, and then to reflect on what constitutes communication, and finally to compare all that to what a construct ("n.e.") "may be like."
But I notice, then, in myself, that I am limiting my discussion about God to the economy (or maybe more broadly to communication between God and all Creation), and not to any hypothetical observations "within the Triunity." Period.
What makes me very nervous is any sentence of yours that starts our "God is a..." or "God is the..." When you do that my defences pop up quickly.
But THIS time you made a model and then you went on to ask me to consider how that model might share some things with what we already know about God.
That was just fine to do.
imho
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One Love
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| Posted 12/29/2006 4:34 PM (GMT -6) | | This is what is called Pascal's Triangle...
Even though others (Omar Khayyam and Yang Hui) had INDEPENDENTLY studies this centuries before then...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_triangle
This is where the FRACTAL Sierpinski Triangle comes from...
Note some things...
1) all of the blue area = 0.
2) the further down you go, things increase exponentially.
3) If the triangle is extended indefinitely, the CENTER NUMBERS of the triangle approach INFINITY.
4) If you have 1 and 0, you can reproduce ALL OTHER INTEGERS from that!
Do you see what I see???
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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