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One Love
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   Posted 4/5/2007 2:04 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
An orchestra of single individuals perfectly fitting together.

What if the reason why they perfectly harmonize is because the very Spirit of the Musical Composer indwells each individual, EMPOWERING them to play with the heart, passion, and virtuousity of the Composer? He'd have individuals playing His song...using the instruments He gave them...using the talents He gave them...also being FULLY EMPOWERED by His very nature of musical being.

It would almost be like the Composer had EXPANDED Himself into different contingent expressions of His musical creativity and demonstration.

And they would all be One...but Many...but One...but Many...

And what would happen when the Composer relates to the Orchestra as the CONDUCTOR as well?

Then the Composer would be relating to HIMSELF as Conductor of the Composition...and would be relating to Himself as the Orchestra.

Expanded Self-Relationship.

The Composer would be "all in all"

:-)


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/5/2007 9:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey D, I just want you to know that aside from this being, ohhhhhh....radically life changing (I can't seem to get this off my mind the last couple of days), do you see why I said before, that this seems sometimes to be nothing more than the liberal concept of the brotherhood of all men? I mean, how ISN'T this ESSENTIALLY the same as that "true kernel of the gospel" (loving your fellow man) but with an evangelical christological pneumatic spin on it?


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   Posted 4/5/2007 9:59 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Spin?

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

It's right there. The Great Commandment that is inseparable from loving God.

No spin.

It's just what it is.


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/6/2007 4:06 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'll put it this way. How is this (theologizing about theosis) not essentially an attempt to (re) construct Christian doctrine to show that Christianity is not inimical to humanity but is essential to it's true fulfillment? And what is it's true fulfillment? The brotherhood/sisterhood of all men organized according to love. Ultimately we don't need theosis, Christ or the supernatural but only as tools to infer what humanity's highest good or true essence is. Ultimately, God's own self-end would be the same as OUR self-end.


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   Posted 4/6/2007 5:58 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Brandon:
I'll put it this way. How is this (theologizing about theosis) not essentially an attempt to (re) construct Christian doctrine to show that Christianity is not inimical to humanity but is essential to it's true fulfillment? And what is it's true fulfillment? The brotherhood/sisterhood of all men organized according to love. Ultimately we don't need theosis, Christ or the supernatural but only as tools to infer what humanity's highest good or true essence is. Ultimately, God's own self-end would be the same as OUR self-end.

My thoughts. From a "Christian" perspective...

1) This has nothing to do with any kind of matching up with humanism. This is nothing more than the promise of the Scriptures being lived out.

2) For a God-lover to put their human interests before singleminded, unconditional dedication to God is problematic.

3) To say that we don't need to be unified with the Transcendent seems to be part of our huge egoic self-centered nature. We must think about God's interests and not our own.


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/6/2007 10:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah.

"Trinification" of Creation = Divinely Chosen Expansion of Self-Relationship

Yeah...


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/6/2007 11:02 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. (TOM: BI-POLAR RELATIONAL UNITY) He was with God in the beginning. Through him all contingent expressions were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was Life (the Spirit), and that Life was the Light of all people. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

There was a man sent from God whose name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that Light, so that through him all might believe. He himself was not the Light; he came only as a witness to the Light.

The true Light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

The Logos became matter and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Consequent Hypostasis, who came from the Primordial Hypostasis, full of grace and truth.

(John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, "This is he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' " ) Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. or the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only [Son], who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father (Again, bi-polar consciousness) , has made him known.


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/6/2007 11:04 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Let everything that has Life...praise the Ancient of Days, The Eternal One.

:-)


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/6/2007 11:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
“The One Logos is the many logoi, and the many logoi are the One Logos.”
--Maximos


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/6/2007 11:21 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey, Tom.

Life's not a "merely" a Divine Dream (though that's not bad.)

It's a KALEIDOSCOPE OF CONTINGENT EXPRESSIVE EXPERIENCE in and through the Consequent Hypostasis of Necessary Existence.

Heh.


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/6/2007 12:13 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
BUT CAN YOU
WRITE THAT
ON THE BACK
OF A
MATCHBOOK?


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   Posted 4/6/2007 12:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sure.

Let's shorten things.

"I am what I am only because God (I Am) is what God is."


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

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   Posted 4/6/2007 9:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

The Transfiguration Series

Bishop Kallistos Ware [Read More»]

Part 1: The Glory Suffered



Part 2: The Glory Revealed



Part 3: The Glory Shared



Part 4: The Glory Proclaimed




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   Posted 4/6/2007 9:07 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Her tears washed the feet of him who Eve heard walking in the garden.


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