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One Love
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| Posted 5/16/2007 8:48 AM (GMT -6) |   | Say, y'all. Still in the prayer/time off mode...but I had a thought I wanted to share...
Something that's been a growing conviction for me...
To not ultimately relate to any "female" human as an already-but-not-yet Queen of the Kingdom, a Daughter of God, at EVERY moment in time is to fundamentally misrelate against the Most High God.
For a man to objectify and emotionally subjegate a woman (even in the mind) is to spit on God's Daughter...and then, to call it "a Man's World" as some kind of justification...is to fall headlong into the Matrix of Folly.
It's piteous and humilating for any man who actively participates...and thinks everything is ok.
It leaves supposedly dominant men being weak-willed, petulant, impatient boys who have the hardest time growing up into maturity.
Society teaches sexist nonsense that catches EVERYONE up...
I've been there...and I will never go back.
Sexism kills the spirit.
And deprives Christ's Body of the FATHERS it so desparately needs.
Just a thought.
...no male or female...
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
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One Love
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| Posted 5/16/2007 9:06 AM (GMT -6) | | Ok. One LAST thing...then back to other things. Really.
Ok. Now, I may flip some people out with this question...
But I ask the question honestly...
What would the Father be without the Father's Spirit?
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except that person's own spirit within? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
Hmmmm...
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
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One Love
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| Posted 5/16/2007 11:26 AM (GMT -6) | | Brandon:
What are me in more danger of these days? Dehumanizing a woman or a man?
Dehumanization is unhelpful. Period. It doesn't really matter which variation is the clearer, more present danger. In any given oppressive system, all parties are being spiritually harmed. By living by the Spirit and recognizing each other as the Children and Co-Creators of God that we are, we will eventually eradicate sexism en toto..
As brothers and sisters of the New Humanity understand themselves as a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, then everything will truly be gravy.
Kings and Queens of God will reign on the earth...as Christ's Body, the New Human(ity).
Just good bible stuff, right?
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete Unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 5/16/2007 11:34 AM (GMT -6) | |
ONE said...
Brandon:
What are me in more danger of these days? Dehumanizing a woman or a man?
Dehumanization is unhelpful. Period. It doesn't really matter which variation is the clearer, more present danger. In any given oppressive system, all parties are being spiritually harmed. By living by the Spirit and recognizing each other as the Children and Co-Creators of God that we are, we will eventually eradicate sexism en toto..
As brothers and sisters of the New Humanity understand themselves as a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, then everything will truly be gravy.
Kings and Queens of God will reign on the earth...as Christ's Body, the New Human(ity).
Just good bible stuff, right?
"Co-Creators of God." Heh...nice.  Eventually. Yes. But for now the pendulum swings both ways. It seemed as if the question was one sided.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 5/16/2007 6:57 PM (GMT -6) | | Well One. I've been taught this sort of thing throughout the years. So I'm bound to agree with ya. You know. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Matthew 6:14-15.
I guess I was wonder'n why you specifically pointed out misrelation to females as males but not females misrelating to males/males misrelating to males/females misrelating to females.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
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One Love
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| Posted 5/17/2007 3:28 AM (GMT -6) | | Brandon:
I guess I was wonder'n why you specifically pointed out misrelation to females as males but not females misrelating to males/males misrelating to males/females misrelating to females.
This was the realization that was brought most heavily to my attention in prayer. That's why I said this was MY growing conviction. As a male in this sexist society, I am an unintentional (but more often than I'd like to admit... INTENTIONAL) beneficiary of an oppressive, demonic system. I realized how sexist I have been enculturated to be and how I have lived well below the Kingdom life in doing so. My sin was GREAT, dude. HufrigginMUNGous! I realized that for me not to agree with God on the status of my sisters is plain disrespectful to my Creator. Period. Besides, my sisters deserve much more respect than I have been giving. (My brothers, too!  ) So, I decided to share all that here.
Just my thoughts from praying.
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.Post Edited (UNISON) : 5/17/2007 4:13:50 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 5/17/2007 5:39 AM (GMT -6) | | Another question for you....ummm...UNISON (I can't get use to the name changes  ). I realize there are times that the system is oppressive (and to the extent that it is oppressive it is demonic). I realize that I benefit from the system that is oppressive and that I have done it intentionally. At the same time when benefit from the system unintentionally, would you say that I would be misrelating to God?
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
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One Love
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| Posted 5/17/2007 5:22 PM (GMT -6) | | Brandon:
I realize there are times that the system is oppressive (and to the extent that it is oppressive it is demonic). I realize that I benefit from the system that is oppressive and that I have done it intentionally. At the same time when benefit from the system unintentionally, would you say that I would be misrelating to God?
I'm not as concerned for any given oppressive system (and our unintentional participation in such) as I am about God-centered anthropology. I believe that as we see each other solely as Co-Regents of God (Sons and Daughters), we will just be better off in all ways, regardless of the oppressive system we are speaking about.
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 5/17/2007 7:53 PM (GMT -6) | | | Well, I'm just thinking that if we misrelate to others through unintentionally benefitting/participate from an oppressive system then we should be just as concerned about that system. With you, I agree that we don't know the nth of how much we benefit from this oppressive system. But the question is, "Am I misrelating to my brother or sister to the extent that I benefit/participate in an oppressive system?"
Your question: What would the Father be without the Father's Spirit? A. What is the point of your question? B. I kinda alluded to some of that in my last response here: http://www.opentheismboard.org/default.aspx?f=5&p=013&m=91051
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
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