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One Love
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| Posted 6/29/2007 3:14 PM (GMT -6) |   |
What if when we see the "glow" of divine glory on Moses after coming down from the mountain...or the Transfiguration of Christ... ...we are seeing the "Matrix code" of Uncreated Energies of which our universe is a contingent web of relationship? Like when Neo was able to "see the Code" after his becoming "the One"? Could it be? Tabor Light = "Matrix Code" of Reality?Remember, EVERYTHING in the universe is energy, if we go deep enough. We know that now. Just think about it. Maybe? 
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.Post Edited (UNISON) : 6/29/2007 3:19:59 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 6/29/2007 3:30 PM (GMT -6) | | | What happens when you understand the deep nature of things?
What happens when you have a perception of reality that's deeper than "normal"?
Maybe you can do things that no one else can.
Like stopping bullets with your mind...
Or maybe even...walking on water.
Hmmm....
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 6/29/2007 11:19 PM (GMT -6) | | That day when evening came, he said to his disciples, "Let us go over to the other side." Leaving the crowd behind, they took him along, just as he was, in the boat. There were also other boats with him. A furious squall came up, and the waves broke over the boat, so that it was nearly swamped. Jesus was in the stern, sleeping on a cushion. The disciples woke him and said to him, "Teacher, don't you care if we drown?"
He got up, rebuked the wind and said to the waves, "Quiet! Be still!" Then the wind died down and it was completely calm. He said to his disciples, "Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?"
They were terrified and asked each other, "Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!"
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 6/29/2007 11:24 PM (GMT -6) | | Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. Very truly I tell you, all who have faith in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
We don't really believe this.
That we can do ever greater works than Jesus did, through the power of God's Spirit.
Seriously.
We don't.
That's why he called us an "unbelieving and perverse generation"
That's exactly what we are.
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 6/29/2007 11:48 PM (GMT -6) | | "You've got to let it all go, Neo. Fear. Doubt. And disbelief. Free your mind!"
Morpheus leaps.
Neo is stunned.
Neo's plausibility structure is stretched even farther than before.
Neo continues on his path to Self-Discovery.
"You know what that says? (Pointing to a sign above her kitchen door) It says 'Know Thyself'"
--The Oracle
Neo was a "Doubting Thomas" before he woke up.
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/2/2007 3:22 PM (GMT -6) | | | OK, this thread has sat for a while. I'm going to take that as a sign that posting from another angle is OK, by now.
The above follows an analogy built from the movie Matrix movie(s). I liked the movie but have spent no time thinking about it, and probably won't soon. (And definitly won't try to build a connection between this flick and Mt. Tabor.)
Here's what I sent D. It was timely; but I didn't want to derail the thread or conversation.
But now here goes.................
short response
Originally Sent : 6/30/2007 2:40:15 PM GMT by PotOnWheel
- KEEP THIS FOR LATER -
I don't think that my posting on the "transfiguration" thread would be helpful; at least not right now. Your terms don't make it easy for me to make cross-comparisons to the history of doctrinal arguements. I'd probably slow down the discussion.
Let me just make two notes:
1. At one point in Antioch there was an intense arguement about whether the radiance of Tabor was divinity from outside the Son *added* to him, or whether the radiance was *his own* radiance being allowed to be seen by those who had eyes to see. The later was ruled Orthodox and the former heresy.
2. Your comparision between Moses and Christ, then, is not a symmetrically balanced one: Christ's glory is his own; Moses is something else--which is difficult to think about but MAY (in my speculation right now...no guarantees) be the glory of God "reflecting" by virtue of Moses receptiveness/allignment to God in his holy state. Avoid analogies of radioactivity as that does not require willingness of the one victomized by radioactivity--and would tend to make God's energies into a "thing." Avoid also notions where it somehow is Moses himself that in-himself became luminous -- I'd work backwards from what Peter says of "partaking in the divine nature" to address whether it was Moses who "supplied" the energy or God's uncreated energies that were reflected. (Again, this is my speculation.)
As you can see this is off track of where your thread is right now.
Feel free to quote this if it becomes useful.
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