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Tom
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Posted 6/29/2007 9:59 AM (GMT -6)

Two things I'm reading:

1) Gannon Murphy's Consumming Glory (against open theism). Actually rereading through it.

2) Light from the East: Theology, Science, and the Eastern Orthodox Tradition by Alexi V. Nesteruk (he's a researcher in cosmology and quantum physics in the Institute of Cosmology and Gravitation, University of Portsmouth, England).

Whatca all got going?

Tom

PotOnWheel
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Posted 6/29/2007 10:09 AM (GMT -6)

First and Second Corinthians: Straight freom the Heart, by Lawrence R. Farley.

Its a commentary. My kids youthgroup is studying Coninthians.

(o)

Corey
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Posted 6/29/2007 11:34 AM (GMT -6)

Recent purchases from Amazon...

Perspectives on an Evolving Creation, ed. Keith B. Miller
Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, the Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others (Oxford World's Classics)
xUnit Test Patterns: Refactoring Test Code
Panentheism: The Other God of the Philosophers--From Plato to the Present, John W. Cooper
Professional XNA Game Programming: For Xbox 360 and Windows
Truth Is Symphonic: Aspects of Christian Pluralism, Hans Urs von Balthasar
Simply Christian: Why Christianity Makes Sense, N.T. Wright
Following Jesus: Biblical Reflections on Discipleship, N.T. Wright

Actually only reading the first four at this time.

Post Edited (Corey) : 6/29/2007 11:55:08 AM (GMT-5)

Tom
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Posted 6/29/2007 4:15 PM (GMT -6)

How's the Balthasar book Corey?

I loved Wright's Simply Christian.

Tom

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Posted 6/29/2007 8:57 PM (GMT -6)

Four (five?) views on,

The soul,
the atonement,
election,
the synoptic problem

One Love
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Posted 7/11/2007 7:52 PM (GMT -6)

After "Light in the East", I'm reading this, Tom. You may want to look too...

In Whom We Live and Move and Have Our Being: Panentheistic Reflections on God's Presence in a Scientific World
Edited by Philip Clayton and Arthur Peacocke

Check this makeshift table of contents...

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Foreword
Mary Ann Meyers

Introduction: ``In whom we live and move and have our being''?
Arthur Peacocke

Naming a Quiet Revolution: The Panentheistic Turn in Modern Theology
Michael W. Brierley

I. Panentheistic Interpretations of the God-World Relationship

Three Varieties of Panentheism
Niels Henrik Gregersen

Panentheism: A Postmodern Revelation
David Ray Griffin

Theistic Naturalism and the Word Made Flesh: Complementary Approaches to the Debate on Panentheism
Christopher C. Knight

The World as the Body of God: A Panentheistic Metaphor
Keith Ward

Panentheism in Metaphysical and Scientific Perspective
Philip Clayton

II. Scientific Perspectives on the God-World Relation

Teleology without Teleology: Purpose through Emergent Complexity
Paul Davies

God in and beyond Space and Time
Russell Stannard

Emergence of Humans and the Neurobiology of Consciousness
Robert L. Herrmann

The ``Trinitarian'' World of Neo-Pantheism: On Panentheism and Epistemology
Harold J. Morowitz

Articulating God's Presence in and to the World Unveiled by the Sciences
Arthur Peacocke

III. Theological Perspectives on the God-World Relation

Eastern Orthodox

God Immanent yet Transcendent: The Divine Energies according to Saint Gregory Palamas
Kallistos Ware

The Universe as Hypostatic Inherence in the Logos of God: Panentheism in the Eastern Orthodox Perspective
Alexei V. Nesteruk

The Cosmic Vision of Saint Maximos the Confessor
Andrew Louth

Western Christian

A Relational and Evolving Universe Unfolding within the Dynamism of the Divine Communion
Denis Edwards

Panentheism: A Field-Oriented Approach
Joseph A. Bracken

Panentheism and Pansyntheism: God in Relation
Ruth Page

The Logos as Wisdom: A Starting Point for a Sophianic Theology of Creation
Celia E. Deane-Drummond

IV. Afterword

Panentheism Today: A Constructive Systematic Evaluation
Philip Clayton

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It's all coming together, man

Yes...

"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Post Edited (UNISON) : 7/11/2007 8:03:03 PM (GMT-5)

PotOnWheel
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Posted 7/11/2007 8:20 PM (GMT -6)

Go to church.

(o)

Tom
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Posted 7/11/2007 9:25 PM (GMT -6)

Clayton was one of the guest speakers in Boston. I missed him, but my sense was the most participants rejected his (standard) process limitation on the exercise of divine power exclusively to "persuasion." The feeling was that a) there's too much in the Bible about God acting in more than merely persuasive ways, b) both the incarnation and resurrection (but especially the resurection) look like divine 'actions' within the created order and not merely open ended outcomes of attempts to persuade, and c) a biblical eschatology (and the hope it inspires) can hardly be limited to divine persuasion. This was JP's reservation with Process.

But it's very cool that they've got Nesteruk in there!

Tom

Tom
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Posted 7/11/2007 9:31 PM (GMT -6)

I will say this. The words, "in whom we live and move and have our being" are as close to panentheism as you can get in the Bible. Funny that these words, from an anceint Cretan poet I think, quoted by Paul in Acts 17, refer to Zeus. In the original poem, Zeus is the "whom" in whom we live and move and have our being.

I don't see why panenthesim (a metaphysic) should be limited to standard Process views on providence. You can have panentheism with a more-than-persuasion-only providence.

Tom

Tom
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Posted 7/11/2007 9:32 PM (GMT -6)

POW-

What are you suggesting by telling us to "go to church"? Wanna make that clear?

Tom

PotOnWheel
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Posted 7/11/2007 9:53 PM (GMT -6)

MANY said...
POW-

What are you suggesting by telling us to "go to church"? Wanna make that clear?

Tom

I was speaking to D., who seems to be a philosophy hitchhiker...

But I'll answer your question too, Tom.

Answer: "Lex orandi, lex credendi."

Such topics must be grounded in worship. It's not the philosophy, but the tradition of spirituality that matters.

And its worth being picky, for there's a lot in contemporary church that is distracting, and other things that are not progressive ("path of worship") and not designed to "get you there." Traditional liturgics are formed within the path of refining fires and scrutinies of discipleship. I included the book of Psalms in this 'traditional liturgics."

But we can only do so much on our own, or in small groups. There are tasks that are given to the whole Church, as a congregating Body.

And that is why I said "go to church."

(o)

Post Edited (PotOnWheel) : 7/11/2007 9:56:28 PM (GMT-5)

One Love
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Posted 7/12/2007 3:34 AM (GMT -6)

Thank you for your perspective, B.

Corey
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Posted 7/12/2007 10:31 AM (GMT -6)

I've got that book too on my nightstand. I'm way behind on my reading, though. It's been sitting there since last summer or so when we read Modes of Thought.

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