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One Love
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| Posted 7/23/2007 1:11 PM (GMT -6) |   | Corey:
Why not use the musical metaphor of symphony? Does it not convey "oneness" to you?
Yes, it does. I've used the metaphor of symphony once before. It's harmonious relationship that grounds both words "unison" and "symphony", right?
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Corey:
But isn't being IN God different than BEING God (or a subset thereof)? The problem, perhaps, is assuming the outer circle has a boundary. If there is no boundary, it's not a circle. But the inner region is clearly finite, a circle. The two have a fundamentally different ontology (finite vs infinite).
Interesting question. Does finitude have the capacity for infinitude? What I mean is this: can "infinitude" be found in finite things? If so, what does that mean?
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/23/2007 1:12 PM (GMT -6) | |
Corey said...
I thought about tweaking it like that, but going 3D doesn't really help. Regardless, it's all in God.
How about my specific comments?
The bottom big card is God; the top card overlays part of the big card *but* also does not sink down into it; the big card not only created the top card but also *suffuses* through, permeating the top card; and the last statement is distinct from the fact that the bottom card sometimes makes alterations in the top card.
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One Love
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| Posted 7/23/2007 1:14 PM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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| Posted 7/23/2007 1:17 PM (GMT -6) | | | "For with God, nothing shall be impossible"? | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 7/23/2007 1:20 PM (GMT -6) | | | What if it weren't drawn? But just an mental projection (by whatever forces or what have you) of what we KNOW it to be, hmm? Like you would just "imagine" a S. Triangle...and there it would be...conforming to your wishes. What would be there? | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/23/2007 1:28 PM (GMT -6) | |
Corey said...Does finitude have the capacity for infinitude? Corey: I'd say, "no". We have the capacity to move toward, to align with, but never to achieve infinitude.
We have the capacity to PARTICIPATE in "Eternal Life."
(John 3:16)
That's an example of something finite that has infinite capacity.
Our development unveils something about God's infinity, His eternity. -- something about Him that is suffused throughout creation, and has the potential of development (where in God it rests and does not develop.)
That's why we say that we weere not created IN the image of God but AFTER the image of God.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/23/2007 1:54 PM (GMT -6) | |
Corey said...
So what are you saying? The Energies/Essence distinction is going away at some point? We will know God's essence? Oy.
Who's and what statement are you querying?
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| Posted 7/23/2007 3:33 PM (GMT -6) | | | Whether a model is cards (2-D or 3-D) or rivers, they HAVE to be complex (yet clear) enough to handle a sub-concept such as "remain beyond" to be of much use.
(Bradshaw as author)
There are here two distinct ways in which God can be referred to as Time. One is in reference to time in the proper sense, "the procession of the goodness of God in creating sensibles." Time in this sense is God just as any of the divine processions is God, although He also remains beyond it as its source. (Indeed, it was "once at rest in He Who Always Is," prior to its shining forth in the creation of the sensible world.) Second there is time as "the movement of temporal intervals," that which is measured by time in the first sense. God can also be called Time in this sense, just as He can be called by the name of any of His creatures, since they pre-exist in Him as their cause. By way of analogy, we might distinguish two ways in which God can be referred to as the Good: goodness as a divine procession, and "the good" as referring collectively to those creatures that partake of the Good in the first sense. John (John of Scythopolis) is careful to qualify this second way of referring to God as Time by the adjectives "supereternally and timelessly," so as to make it clear that in using the name of creatures for God there is no diminishment of divine transcendence.
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| Posted 7/23/2007 5:23 PM (GMT -6) | | There's lot to learn on the "Food Network". You could make some dinner for you and the neighbors...  | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 7/23/2007 5:26 PM (GMT -6) | | | Paul the Apostle: It is in God that we live and move and have our being.
Theoria the Mystic: It is as God that we live and move and have our being.
"Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/23/2007 6:13 PM (GMT -6) | |
PLANIS said...
Let's talk about ... gardening
Gardening it is!
Vigen Guroian on "Speaking of Faith", NPR streaming radio podcast
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| Posted 7/23/2007 6:18 PM (GMT -6) | | QUOTE
Eros united with agape belongs to the original image of God in humanity. "God," wrote the Byzantine theologian Nicholas Cabasilas, "has emplanted the desire into our souls by which every need should lead to the attainment of that which is good, every thought to the attainment of truth. … For those who have tasted of the Savior, the Object of desire is present. From the beginning human desire was made to be gauged and measured by the desire for Him, and is a treasury so great, so ample, that it is able to encompass God." Eros' repose is Christ, in whom it is translated into a universal love. "Those, therefore, who attain to Him are hindered by nothing from loving to the extent that love was implanted into our souls from the beginning." In Christ the creature's inner "movement" toward the Godhead is completed and humankind's capacity to reciprocate God's love is perfected. The christic human being is characterized by a "burning love of his charity for God" and, in Christ, for fellow human beings—even all creation. Such love is not a grace infused from without. Rather it is the original image of God restored from within by the express Image of God himself, Jesus Christ.
- Vigen Guroian
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Tom
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Tom
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| Posted 7/23/2007 7:29 PM (GMT -6) | | I had to laught at this one too. You'll like this D. Our friend Creflo Dollar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHOrw-nKnbA
I'd be interested in what you think of his conclusion POW--"The only human thing about us is the body we live in. Everything else is God."
Tom
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