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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!




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   Posted 8/17/2007 8:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey y'all. It's been a long time since I've been on here and I had to get off for a while because I was majorly suffering from DNOTS (hence the discussion blog with the high schoolers about it last... year. Time flies!). God's been good and now my relationship with God is at such a deeper level than before - a lot has to do with the interaction with you all.
 
Even if at times it seemed like I "didn't get it", I was seriously thinking about what you all were saying so often it ain't even funny! This board has seriously stretched me and now God makes so much more sense.
 
But I've wanted to let you all know how much I've really appreciated the dialog here and learning from you all! D, Corey, Tom, Zach, Jeff, T, Spark, Laika, Don, JEE, POW, and anyone else who took time out to explain things to me (forgive me if I've missed anyone), I'm forever grateful.
 
-Heather


 

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Similitude
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   Posted 8/17/2007 8:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think you speak pretty much for all of us, Heather. I've definitely been sharpened by iron here. Can't thank you guys enough.


 

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Laika
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   Posted 8/17/2007 10:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
jefscott said...
 I've definitely been sharpened by iron here.
I've always thought of it as butter sharpening butter....
 
 
 
 
 
 


Romance at short notice was her specialty.

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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!




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   Posted 8/18/2007 12:27 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Personally, I always liked the butter shaped like flowers and ducks.

(Butter shapens butter too, right? Minus the "r") ;)

Also thanks for the link to the irish tunes! Very cool! I've been wanting to get more into that. I used to have a few songs and lost 'em.

Too bad there's no violin smiley. playin_guitar I can still pretend my violin's a smaller kind of guitar. Pluck, pluck...

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Corey
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   Posted 8/18/2007 4:36 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"DNOTS" -- I had to google this: "Dark Night of the Soul" (Good to hear from you, BTW) Care to tell a bit more about where your path has taken you recently?


 

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   Posted 8/18/2007 8:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Blessings to all! (You especially, Vi.!)

Tell Alan we said "Whussup!" ;-)


"Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.  For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.  I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.  And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.  I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

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Similitude
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   Posted 8/18/2007 9:38 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Anything but magarine, Laika! :0)


 

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Laika
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   Posted 8/18/2007 10:15 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
jefscott said...
Anything but magarine, Laika! :0)

Naomi's healthy, homemade margarine:
one part butter, one part canola oil and a pinch of salt, mixed
 
 



Romance at short notice was her specialty.

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Similitude
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   Posted 8/18/2007 11:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OK. Long as it's not hydrogenated. And that's as far as I'm going... biggrin


 

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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!




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   Posted 8/18/2007 1:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Corey: "DNOTS" -- I had to google this: "Dark Night of the Soul" (Good to hear from you, BTW) Care to tell a bit more about where your path has taken you recently?

VFG: Hey! Good to hear from you! 

You mean with theology stuff or life stuff? Re: life, we're in the process of adopting, I'm still teaching German p/t until we have a lil one in the house, and Alan's still f/t, but starting in October he'll again be looking for a more permanent position (his 3-year contract w/UNLV is ending, so we really need something to come up).

Re: theology... man! It's been cool. It's a bit hard to explain, but during DNOTS I was not at all feeling God's presence, I was getting pessimistic about people in general, and just wondering about where life was going - half way feeling like I was in some emotional prison. But the thing I realized was that I was depending on feeling God in order to help me love others... but the love wasn't genuine towards all. Only people I knew and liked. Now it’s getting better (not there yet, honestly, but getting better).

At the OT/Science conference, I talked with a few people about some ideas I had about the atonement – because I didn’t know if some ideas I had were really “in left field”. In a nutshell, when I learned that my ideas were not far-fetched and that some others were not so gung-ho on the penal-substitution view (PSV), that kinda gave me more freedom to think of Christ’s death as more of a representation of a grander picture. (Before, I had a fear of being labeled “heretic Heather”)

But here’s the wierd thing about it, again in a nutshell, changing my views about the atonement changed how I viewed other people. I finally started to grasp the “Thy will be done” idea & God’s striving to redeem ALL of creation. With the PSV, I couldn’t make sense of “love” in that paradigm. Adopting a slightly adjusted view of the atonement really made me start to LOVE others differently. So in a new post down below, I’ll just post part of an e-mail I had sent to one of the participants to get her feedback (you gotta understand, here in LV it’s hard to find people to bounce ideas off of regarding the atonement, hermeneutic stuff, etc. because some “common” ideas are so entrenched) and she said my idea isn’t far-fetched at all. That was a relief to hear.

She recommended a book actually: R. Larry Shelton: Cross and Covenant: Interpreting the Atonement for 21st Century Mission. I wish I was a fast reader. Nothing like reading 4 books at the same time and getting none of them finished.

So that’s it in a nutshell. A lot of good stuff.

Hey D, it's great to see you again! I'll tell Alan that good ole "Whassuuuuup!" :)

 

Note: ok, I finally finished this post! :)


 

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Tom
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   Posted 8/18/2007 3:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It was SO good to see you and Alan in Boston. I had such a great time.

Perhaps Buffy the Vampire Slayer would lift your spirits! But then again maybe not.

Hugs and kisses to Alan!

Tom


 

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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!




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   Posted 8/18/2007 9:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Actually.... Buffy the Vampire Slayer DID do a lot for me too. Remember the episode where Angel (Buffy's boyfriend) came back from hell? Oooooh! That hit me so hard making me really realize that I don't want anyone to go to hell. If that's even a minor version of ECT... yuck! If ECT is even a possibility, I need to step up to the plate and try to convince others to turn to God and follow Christ. So it helped in kicking my butt in learning to love people.

But Buffy is also great in the category of timeless quotables... like Borat!

We really enjoyed seeing you there too. Quite a lot of fun! (to quote Borat): We have a sexy time! lol

I'll pass on the hugs and kisses to Alan.

 

Ohhhhhhhhhh Aaaaaaaalan! Where aaaaaare youuuuuu?


 

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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!




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   Posted 8/19/2007 9:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I finished my "edit" about where my path has taken me recently... so if interested, see above.
 
In the edit I said I'd post a portion of an e-mail I had sent to one of the participants for feedback... here it is:
 
Remember one thing discussed was the Fall and Redemption, and the sin/punishment model vs. universalism, etc? Many people in the church hold to the sin/punishment model, right? ... where God basically drew a line in the sand (creating the Law), humanity violated the Law, and deserved only death and Hell as a result. I've had a problem with that model for a while and I realized when talking with you all that there does seem to be a real problem with the punishment model, and that there are other ways of looking at the Fall and Redemption.

After trying to figure out whether that sin/punishment model is true or not, I came to the conclusion that perhaps what happened was that humanity voluntarily separated from God by acting independently of God or God's character (instead of depending on him like branches to a vine). The natural "result" of separation from God (which entails love/life/goodness/etc) is the absence of God (pain/death/corruption(evil)/etc.) So I no longer quite view God as one imposing God's justice on us horrible criminals, but we are in a sense "broken" or corrupted from where we ought to be, which is to be in perfect unity and harmony with God. So I see Jesus as more of a "model", demonstrating God's absorbing our corruption. Because of God being infinite goodness, all that corruption disappears (like a vast pool absorbing a drop of dye) and becomes only a memory of the tragedy that occurred. It is like God is striving to bring us back into unity with him - not simply punishing/breaking us into some sort of submission.


 

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   Posted 8/20/2007 10:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
jefscott said...
Anything but magarine, Laika! :0)

Yeah, margarining him up for the kill just don't cut it.
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   Posted 8/20/2007 10:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
jefscott said...
I think you speak pretty much for all of us, Heather. I've definitely been sharpened by iron here. Can't thank you guys enough.

Ditto!
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