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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!




Date Joined Dec 2004
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   Posted 9/2/2007 12:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Instead of de-railing the Hip Hop Break thread, I'll post my brief initial thought here to explain the poem/rap I had written. (This is of course a bit of a personal story, but feel free to comment even if you disagree)
 
My friend has been on the streets for many years and homeless (somewhat voluntarily - hard to explain here) for over 7 years. We were praying for the longest time for her to get off of drugs and she's been trying with short spurts here and there. She was off heroin for 3-4 months while using methodone as a substitution. The cravings and depression got worse and eventually she succumbed to the old life. She's been off the streets & staying with a relative for about 1-2 months now, but something's been telling me to not focus on her getting free from her addiction anymore but instead to focus on her relationship with Christ first. Perhaps, as un-PC as this sounds, God hasn't removed her addiction for the sole purpose of her husband's possibly coming to know and follow Christ as well. He grew up in a drug-addicted family. He started smoking pot in elementary school. None of them knew Christ. Few drug-addicted, homeless people know Christ. My friend has found a few Christians in that world. They find out who is Christian through conversation. Those are the people who have been most trust-worthy too, not cheating others out of money and trying to watch out for others who are even more defenseless than themselves.
 
As far as I can tell, I've been the only person to tell my friend that even though she is addicted to drugs and even though there is a possibility she may be back on the streets, if she has a relationship with Christ, then she is saved... even if she can never get free of drugs. Other people have either told her directly (or she interpreted from their message) that if she isn't off of drugs then she might not have Christ in her life.
 
I explained that it's not the drugs that determines her salvation, but the motivation behind the drugs....the heart. (I hope I'm right...) Some people try to trick others to use other more-addictive drugs to increase their number of clients. Others pan-handle and lie that they will work for food in order to get money to buy drugs to prevent getting horribly sick from withdrawls (headaches, vomiting, seizures, etc... it's the fear of these physical effects as well as the fear of facing reality that drives them back to the drugs). They don't lie specifically to be vindictive... but they lie to prevent further pain.
 
I write this so that we all can gain a further understanding of that world. There's horrible stuff that goes on in that world. I think it's important for us to know this stuff so we can know how to reach out to people in this predicament.


 

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Tom
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   Posted 9/2/2007 5:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vi: As far as I can tell, I've been the only person to tell my friend that even though she is addicted to drugs and even though there is a possibility she may be back on the streets, if she has a relationship with Christ, then she is saved... even if she can never get free of drugs. Other people have either told her directly (or she interpreted from their message) that if she isn't off of drugs then she might not have Christ in her life. I explained that it's not the drugs that determines her salvation...

Tom: I'm very comfortable with this too, Violin. Some addictions are compatible with faith in Christ. What about caffeine addition? That's a chemical addition. What about smoking? Can those addicted to nicotine not be saved? I think they can. What about all the Christian men addicted to porn? And there's a chemical component to that as well. I don't see why these addictions have to rule out the possibility of the person's trusting in Christ for salvation. But to say some addictions are compatible with faith in Christ doesn't mean faith in Christ isn't jeapardized by such addictions. Who knows?

Tom


 

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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!




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   Posted 9/2/2007 9:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Right. There's the spectrum where there's high-functioning addictions on one end and low-functioning addictions on the other, and the addictions in between.

There's the addictions where one can still be (what I call) high-functioning in society, meaning that their life is fine and the medication, drugs, or whatever else is either helping them function fairly well in society or has no effect on them and they are doing. They could be mid-functioning where they are hanging on with some difficulty. Or they could be low-functioning where they are on, or nearly on the streets, or can't hold a job down, etc.
 
But for me it's hard to say exactly which addictions are compatible or incompatible with a faith in Christ. That's why I think instead of telling someone that their addiction is an indicator that they aren't really Christian (I'd never tell someone that anyway... I'm in no position to), all I can tell them is to first focus on getting to know Christ and aim to follow him in the best way they can (focusing on the heart). And their "best way" is certainly going to be different to some degree from my ideal "best way".
 
(And speaking about addictions... yes, I'm a horrible food addict. I can't go without food for much longer than about a month. Especially chocolate.) burger


 

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MoreLightPlease
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   Posted 9/3/2007 8:01 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"There's not a friend like the lowly Jesus
"No, not one. No, not one.
"None who can heal all our souls' diseases.
"No, not one. No, not one.

"Jesus knows all about our troubles....

Thanks for telling about your friend, Vi. We can all pray for her. Jesus is her friend. In fact, I know that Jesus is not only a compassionate friend, but a powerful friend who can rescue us and set our feet on solid ground again. He is our Deliverer, not only from the penalty of sin, but from our human weaknesses, from our sinful nature, and from Satan and his minions, who would ruin us.
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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!




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   Posted 9/5/2007 3:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for your post & prayers MLP. Yes, Jesus can deliver us from our weaknesses... but in cases like my friend here, it may be the case that God may never do a flick of the wand and make her addictions go away. But I do have confidence that through the difficulties she is facing, that God will later use her in far greater ways than we can see right now.

We only see the current addictions and say, "how awful." (Indeed, it is... but we gotta see beyond that; not focus on it solely)

God sees the number of people who can be reached through her (the number of people we will never be able to reach because we simply CAN'T truly understand their trials as she does)... that IN SPITE of her addictions, she trusts in the Lord. They can see that they can too.

What's interesting is that in CS Lewis' Great Divorce, the ONLY ghost-person who overcame the thing that separated him from coming to God was the person WE would pity the most and say in the back of our minds, "Glad I'm not him." We have plenty of addiction-recovery groups across the country... but we don't have any pride-recovery groups. But the second is worse than the first.


 

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