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One Love
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   Posted 12/22/2007 9:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As I was at the airport getting ready to fly home, I decided to buy a "Discover" magazine.  It's the January 2008 copy, "The Year In Science: 100 Top Science Stories of 2007. (Check here for the website)  If you get a chance, please pick this up and read through it.  LOTS of great stuff in there!  Anyways, #80 and #84 were interesting to me, pages 62 and 63 respectively...and I got the urge to share this. Just take it for what you will.
 
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80: Robots Evolve and Learn to Lie
 
Robots can evolve to communicate with each other, to help, and even to deceive each other, according to Dario Floreano of the Laboratory of Intelligent Systems at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology.
 
Floreano and his colleagues outfitted robots with light sensors, rings of blue light, and wheels and placed them in habitats furnished with glowing "food sources" and patches of "poison" that recharged or drained their batteries.  Their neural circuitry was programmed with just 30 "genes", elements of software code that determined how much they sensed light and how they responded when they did.  The robots where initially programmed both to light up randomly and to move randomly when they sense light.
 
To create the next generation of robots, Floreano recombined the genes of those that proved fittest--those that had managed to get the biggest charge out of the food source.
 
The resulting code (with a little mutation added in the form of a random change) was downloaded into the robots to make what were, in essence, offspring.  Then they were released into their artificial habitat.  "We set up a situation common in nature--foraging with uncertainty,"  Floreano say.  "You have to find food, but you don't know what food is; if you eat poison, you die."  Four different types of colonies of robots were allowed to eat, reproduce, and expire.
 
By the 50th generation, the robots had learned to communicate--lighting up, in three out of four colonies, to alert the others when they'd found food or poison.  The fourth colony sometimes evolved "cheater" robots instead, which would light up to tell the others that the poison was food, while they themselves rolled over to the food source and chowed down without emitting so much as a blink.
 
Some robots, though, were veritable heroes.  They signaled danger and died to save other robots.  "Sometimes," Floreano says, "you see that in nature--an animal that emits a cry when it sees a predator; it gets eaten, and the others get away--but I never expected to see this in robots
 
--Michael Abrams

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84: Chimps Show Altruistic Streak
 
For years, lacking evidence to the contrary, most scientists had assumed that altruism is unique to humans.  Sure, other primates groom each other and even share food, but this kind of helping could be chalked up to selfish motives--either to benefit close relatives who share their genes or to get an immediate reward.  In June, however, scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology reported the first experimental evidence of spontaneous altruism in chimpanzees, toward both non-related chimps and humans.
 
In one experiment done with semifree-ranging chimps in Uganda, a chimp struggled to open a door locked by a chain.  The researchers wanted to see if a second chimp would release the chain to help the first get food.  Three quarters of the time, the chimps in a position to help did just that.  "The crucial things her is they help without any expectation of being rewarded, because they don't benefit from their helping," lead researcher Felix Warneken explains.
 
The same pattern showed up in a similar experiment with chimpanzees and humans: When a person with whom they had no prior relationship struggled to reach a stick, the chimps handed it to the person even when it required climbing up to a tall raceway.  The chimps helped people just as often as 18-month-old German toddlers did in a similar setup involving a person struggling to reach a pen.
 
"The main finding is that human and chimpanzees share altruisic tendencies," Warneken says.  In terms of evolution, he adds, this similiarity suggests that the two species' common ancestors had these inclinations before culture developed.
 
And that tells us something about human nature.  "There's a widely held belief that humans are selfish in the beginning and only through socialization do we turn into somewhat altruistic individuals," Warneken says.  This work suggests our nature contains the seeds for both types of behavior.

--Marina Krakovsky
 
 
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And to think...all this time I thought that consciously chosen, self-sacrificial altruism was an exclusively human or exclusively "personal" characteristic.  Oh well.  Live and learn.
 
Get this magazine.  This ain't the only cool stuff in there.  Seriously. 


"For it is said, 'The two will become one flesh.'  But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in Spirit.

"For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.  The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, 'Abba,  Father.' The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children."

 

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One Love
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   Posted 12/23/2007 1:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Quickly.

What I see in the Discover Magazine stuff...

The "energies" of Ultimate Reality consistently demonstrate themselves in the created order to be analogous to irreducible bi-polar assymetrical relational unity between coherence (enstasy, individuality, integrity, limitation, etc,) and openness (ecstasy, community, freedom, infinitude, etc.) that leads higher and higher expressions of "ordered creativity" and emergent "sociality of perspective"

The seeds of egocentric and exocentric relationality in and between communicating centers of choice/deliberation (organic or non-organic) are found in this ubiquitous dynamic constructive (sometimes experienced as DEstructive) tension.

In my mind, the highest dynamic equilibrium of these two drives is PERICHORETIC SHARING: What we see in the self-relationality of the One Personal God of Trine Divine Persons.

These points of scientific discovery can be seen as more discovery of the true nature of things.

My brief thoughts.


"For it is said, 'The two will become one flesh.'  But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in Spirit.

"For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.  The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, 'Abba,  Father.' The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children."

 

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   Posted 12/23/2007 2:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm quite convinced that altruism (or some other virtue), ultimately, is not emergent; it was already in the fabric of the nature of things as God's creation. Unselfish living is ultimately more aligned with reality than selfish living. Case in point, I'd expect that the fourth colony that sometime developed "cheater" robots would not do as well long-term as the other colonies. They'd tend to kill themselves off.
 
That said, as SK points out, the outer is not the inner. I'm not all that surprised that given the exactly right circumstances we can get certain outer phenomenon to exhibit. But is the inner workings of the "mind" qualitatively the same as a human? I have no reason to believe so.

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   Posted 12/23/2007 3:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
1) Interestingly enough, you can see the "letting be" of the created order in that, given enough time of these "cheaters", the fourth colony as a corporate entity would learn that lesson for itself.

They would not have to be programmed with that information by any researcher. "They" would discover that for "themselves" over time and integrate this corporate realization into their future progeny.

Cheaters never proper, all things considered. And this lesson is learned through rocky, painful experiences that are integrated into a higher understanding the irreducibly interdependent nature of reality.

Seems familiar to me. ;-)

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2) To some, there is significant indication that chimpanzees are at least somewhat aesthetically inclined. They seem to be able to recognize what they see something that touches them, enjoy that beauty, and want to represent that understanding with some of their own creation. Of course, some people don't want to grant this as much credence as it really deserves. But perhaps this is our grossly underestimated anthropocentricism. Perhaps.

www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/arts/design/09coli.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Then there's Koko...
 
The lines can get blurry...


"For it is said, 'The two will become one flesh.'  But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in Spirit.

"For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.  The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, 'Abba,  Father.' The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children."

 

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   Posted 12/23/2007 3:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Blade runner, and R2D2. But for different reasons. Bottom line is that our imagination and ability to "give names" and categories to things is both immense and influential.

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   Posted 5/1/2008 7:08 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This elephant paints better than I ever have...

The Painting Elephant
www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk

Move over, Koko... biggrin


Whoever knows and recognizes how near God’s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, “God is in this place, and I knew it not.”
Meister Eckhart, "The Nearness of the Kingdom"

Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.

 

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