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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 1/15/2008 12:56 AM (GMT -6) |   | Tom: What's MORE important is that gross misinformation about who we are and the nature of our relationship to God can led to gross misrelation. So we all must have enough RIGHT about our views to make it possible for God to transform us.
Agreed, bro.
God brought something back to me. I'd actually forgotten about this. I tell ya...but by the Grace of God, go I...
10/22/2006 – Remembering the Forgotten Beauty, Dwayne Polk – sermon length is 40:39 minutes
Click here to listen...
This was from the Individual Study Guide that I wrote for this...
Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created human beings in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:26-27 (TNIV)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." John 14:6-7 (TNIV)
"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples." John 15:4-8 (TNIV)
"Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth." Psalm 46:10
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We spend a lot of our lives in hectic, anxiety-producing situations. We may be just trying to provide food and clothing for our loved ones and ourselves. We may be trying to achieve something for ourselves to give ourselves a better life. Whatever the reason, the outcome is the same. We fall into a form of anxiety-created memory loss...where we begin to forget who we truly are. We forget the unimaginable beauty that exists within us. But the question becomes: why would we think that we have such beauty in the first place?
In the book of Genesis, we discover that all human beings have been created in the image and likeness of God. This means that all human beings have some essential similarity to God, such that we are like God in some real ways.
It's important for us to understand this point: Once we understand that God is beautiful, we know that there are implications for us. If we are created in the image of the Beautiful God...then that means that WE are beautiful as well! One of the hardest things for us to understand is that we are much more that we have allowed ourselves to become! We were never meant to be slaves to alarm clocks, paychecks, and stress. We were meant to live in love, freedom, and power as we bring more and more beauty and reconciliation into the world! We have fallen into a state of despair where we have forgotten this beauty.
How do we recover it? We have to "be still" in our spirits and get to know God by spending time with Jesus. We have to be willing to have silence with God where we shut off all of the noise of the world...and we can listen clearly to God. We also have to have solitude with God where we get alone with God. In other words, we have to create "spaces" for God so that we can get in contact with the Spirit of Christ. The more time that we spend being with God, the more that we will relearn our own beauty!
Wow. God knows what he's doing...period...
So God created human beings in his own image, in the image of God he created them... Post Edited (Imago Dei) : 1/15/2008 12:00:39 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 1/15/2008 8:25 AM (GMT -6) |   | D: "Non-God person-ness" (that's the best I can do right now... ) is a self-relational perspective that can be subjectively appropriated by a human "center of willing"...which leads to the possible experience of DESPAIR.
Tom: I understand that this is the best you can do right now. And this is why we DON'T agree on an indeterminist model of theosis. I mean something different than you here mean.
Then, brother. Show me what things would need to change in the self-understandings of those two people I talked about earlier that would BRING THEM CLOSER TO YOUR VIEW.
I want to understand FROM THE INSIDE how your indeterminist model of theosis would alter "my" view to become your view. How would the perspectives of those two human beings be corrected to reflect the reality that you see.
I'm ready to receive. Show me.
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Reposting...
So let's say that you have two people ACTUALLY doing this. Two people who strive only define themselves as God's Child (Father's Child born from and borne by Father's Spirit)...and they relate to the created order from that perspective. Moreover, they REALLY BELIEVE that, as they see themselves this way and, by divine grace, strive to live in continual "poverty of spirit"...the Father's Spirit never ceases to 1) use them providentially for God's divine purposes such that effectively God is TRULY the subject of their actions and 2) they find a fullness of love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, etc through their relationship with Father and Father's Spirit through inhering in the personhood of Father's Child. Following this scripture... For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. ...we freely choose to be "led" by the Spirit of God in absolutely ALL AREAS of their human existence, not leaving ANYTHING out. They believe that, through epicletic faith (faith leading to mystical "revealing" of the Real Presence of Christ in the "ordinary"  , they can be a "continuation of Christ's Incarnation". In relating to Father (and his Spirit), they FREELY CHOOSE the stance "Not my will, but Your will be done" for absolutely everything they think, feel, and desire. They only think about God and they ONLY desire the accomplishment of God's will in them at all times. How would you straighten out their self-concepts so that they would align with your view? Seriously. Show me step by step how these people are inaccurate in their interpersonal relationship with the Father.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 1/15/2008 7:48 PM (GMT -6) |   | Thanks, Corey. I love and respect you and where you're at on this. Mad love, dude... 
Bruce? What are your thoughts? Am I making sense to you?
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 1/16/2008 12:49 AM (GMT -6) |   | Tom: We may now be way beyond whatever is even communicable to average people, D.
That can't be so. The guys that I've been mentoring/discipling (including my 23 year old brother-in-law) are understanding ALL of this. And they some of them haven't even had ANY theological training or even college experience. They're just ordinary young guys. And God's been radically changing their lives. From crack-sellers to God-lovers. They live like Dallas Willard wrote about. (There's actually been a physical healing miracle with one of them. Yes. Physical healing by God. ) And my wife's always had intuitions in this direction long before I knew she did. They ALL see it. Clear as day.
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