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quest for truth
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| Posted 2/24/2004 4:10 PM (GMT -6) |   | Others can read if they'd like but this thread is devoted to Tom.
Dear Tom,
I have no idea what caused you to so strongly reply to what I wrote to Borg on the thread called "The Passion of Christ Movie". If there is something in specific that you would like to air with me -- I am open to reading. Please know that if I say things which cause you to feel that I am asleep you have the liberty of reading past it and letting it go. If you feel I am interrupting the movement of a thread then politely kick me off. If you feel that I am off base then share with me where you feel I am off. In any event can we please be cyber friends by being kind to one another?
I respect your work, Tom, really I do. I would like to have you on my side in this war. I know that people don't always agree but that's okay. Since we only see dimly, none of us know God fully yet most people on this site seem to be trying to seek him. My name on this board is 'quest for truth' because my quest is to seek God in order to find and learn more about him. I want to know truth (God) hence I seek. I think seeking together can be beautiful when we respect one another and treat one another kindly.
I am sorry if I hurt you, Tom. I still am a little unsure what reason you had for coming on so strongly to that post. I don't know you personally so perhaps I am reading you all wrong. Perhaps this is just the way you interact with people. Since I don't know you I want to apologize if I have done anything to bring division. If I haven't then just know that my heart is to seek unity with my brothers and sisters in Christ. Please know that my purpose here is to seek to bring restoration to our cyber relationship if restoration is in order.
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Tom
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| Posted 2/24/2004 5:56 PM (GMT -6) | | questfortruth-
I'm having trouble understanding where I came down on you so hard, where I abused you. Help me see this.
I'm looking at that thread. You said you absolutely respected borg's position on the film. All I asked you (and it was just a question) was: What do you respect about it? I still don't know what you "respect" about borg's position.
Then you apologized for "correlating" the movie with the Bible. I said you needn't be sorry for that since one expects there to be "correlation" between a movie based on the gospels and the gospels. THe more correlated our films, books, plays, and music are to the Bible, the better. Correlation is a flat out good thing. We WANT correlation.
But if you were talking about Gibson being as inspired as was Matthew or Luke, then I said, yeah, that's something to be sorry for. But I didn't mean that disrepectfully or judgmentally. I was simply trying to encourage you not to apologize when you didn't need to and to think about just what it was you were apologizing for.
When I asked "Are we awake?" I obviously used "we" and addressed us ALL. I didn't direct it to you.
Then you asked that no one worship any movie, book, idol! I sought to encourage you by saying "Don't worry. That's not gonna happen." When I said "Let's get real" it was, again, directed to all of us. I am a bit surprised that anybody would actually be concerned that people would "worship a film." What are basing this fear on? I was just trying to get us all to think about whether this fear is justified or not. I don't think it is. I meant to express my own amazement at the subject, not to come down on you.
Lastly, you encouraged people who were affected by the film to get on their knees and weep to Christ. I responded asking if borg agreed that this was even possible. Did he agree that a person can watch this movie and end up on his knees worshiping God? Just a question.
Well, the film is obviously a hot issue for people (which is amazing to me). I think borg is way off, but that's OK. He thinks my arguments are nonesense too. I don't find any bite to the arguments borg referred to that by making a film about Jesus people are disobeying the command in Exodus to "not make any graven image." Now THERE'S a correlation you want to question if you want to question correlation between film and scripture.
Tom
PS I didn't know you were so invested in your user name: questfortruth. You seemed to be upset that I use "Quest." I abbreviate when I can. Sorry. If you don't like that I'm happy to always use the full 'questfortruth'. Does it matter if the Q is upper or lower case? | | Back to Top | | |
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quest for truth
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| Posted 2/24/2004 10:57 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
For crying out loud. Let's get real!
I meant to express my own amazement at the subject, not to come down on you.
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When I asked "Are we awake?" I obviously used "we" and addressed us ALL. I didn't direct it to you.
Okay, this was where I had thought you were personally attacking but now I understand.
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You said you absolutely respected borg's position on the film. All I asked you (and it was just a question) was: What do you respect about it? I still don't know what you "respect" about borg's position
I respect people when they disagree or have a different belief than me because I believe people have a right to their opinion. I was using the word respect in meaning that I have my opinion regarding the movie while Borg has his, and although they differ, neither of us have the right to judge the other. In my personal experience I have found that sometimes when an issue differs people tend to think the one who believes or thinks differently is "off" and they spend a lot of energy trying to convince the person why they need to see it their way. I believe that sometimes this can be judgmental on the part of the one trying to change the other. My attempt with Borg was to reach out by saying that I respect him so he would not feel judged for thinking differently than many of the posters on that thread. In a similar way I believe open view theologians have taken a lot of "abuse" from others because their belief is different. I feel that these theologians get judged by some who don't hold to the same view. I think this has been so sad since no one knows for certain. With this topic some theologians act as though their way is the "right" way. Does this help?
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I was simply trying to encourage you not to apologize when you didn't need to and to think about just what it was you were apologizing for.
Thank you for your encouragement. I was apologizing because I had a sense that Borg was struggling with people putting anything equal with the bible. I thought, after I had originally posted, that perhaps he might think I was doing exactly what he was fearing by correlating the movie with the bible in the way I had. Although the movie is based from the bible, to me it seemed that Borg was struggling with it being an idol.... I apologized because I thought perhaps I may have come off as insensitive to his concern.
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PS I didn't know you were so invested in your user name: questfortruth. You seemed to be upset that I use "Quest." I abbreviate when I can. Sorry. If you don't like that I'm happy to always use the full 'questfortruth'. Does it matter if the Q is upper or lower case?
No, I don't mind anyone addressing me with "q" or "qft" or "quest" or "quest for truth" or "Quest for Truth" .... I was sharing with you my user name, and the reason I selected that, because I wanted you to know that my quest on this forum is to learn and seek to discover truth. I have NO problem with how people type the name in. Don't worry about it. 
Thank you for replying back because this helped to clarify the matter. I now better understand how you interact on this board. I hope my response here will settle any unclarity for you too. It is my understanding that we are all trying to understand God a little better in order to draw closer to him. My prayer is that we do so with love as the motivating force behind our words.
Are we cool?
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Tom
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| Posted 2/24/2004 11:36 PM (GMT -6) | | questfortruth: Are we cool?
Tom: Totally. Thanks.
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quest for truth
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| Posted 2/25/2004 5:35 AM (GMT -6) | | Thanks, Tom!
Dear Moderator:
Now that this has been cleared and things are "cool" you are at liberty to delete this thread.
Thanks! | | Back to Top | | |
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Tiggers
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| Posted 2/25/2004 4:10 PM (GMT -6) | | Ok, Ok…So I’m a snoop, but you did say anyone could read this! Now, I just want to say…DAG, this thread can really show Christians how to interact with each other in word. I mean, written words can so often be misinterpreted without seeing one’s body language when proclaiming them, dig? Anyways, sweet deal, folks…we can all learn a great deal from ya’ll…oh, and by the way, God bless  !
Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers
“The notion that God uses evils as a means to such higher goods is, … incompatible with the doctrine that he is omnipotent, and therefore does not need to use deplorable means to achieve his ends” (J.L. Mackie). | | Back to Top | | |
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quest for truth
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| Posted 2/26/2004 12:57 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Ok, Ok…So I’m a snoop
Snoop away! Thank you, Tiggers. God bless you. | | Back to Top | | |
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