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PotOnWheel
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One Love
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| Posted 2/26/2008 9:10 AM (GMT -6) | | Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods" ' ? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came (Note: HUMAN BEINGS)—and Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
God has told us, human beings that we are "gods."
There should be NO SHAME in our directly affiliating ourselves as divine children by God's Spirit...gods-born(e)-of-God.
By recieving the word of God spoken to us...and nurturing it in our broken, humble hearts...
we bring forth works meet of the Spirit as we identify with Christ as adopted "sons-in-the-Son"
Truly being the royal priesthood that we've always been meant to be.
So...
God has told us, human beings, that we are "gods", his own divine progeny in Christ.
Well...
God said it...
I believe it...
That settles it.
In the Spirit of Christ, BE Christ to every "Christ" you see when you look at yourself and other human beings. "Insofar as you've done to the least of these..." Post Edited ("I am-in-I Am") : 2/26/2008 8:14:04 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 2/26/2008 9:11 PM (GMT -6) | | That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. Whoever has ears, let them hear."
The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"
He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Those who have will be given more, and they will have an abundance. As for those who do not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'
But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. Truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When people hear the message about the Kingdom [of God] and do not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their hearts. This is the seed sown along the path. The seed falling on rocky ground refers to people who hear the word and at once receive it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. The seed falling among the thorns refers to people who hear the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. But the seed falling on good soil refers to people who hear the word and understand it. They produce a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
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"The Kingdom of God is within you."
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I believe that the "Crop" is the continuation of God's Incarnation of God's Word through God's Adopted Children, "Sons and Daughters-in-the-Son" .
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One Love
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| Posted 2/26/2008 9:29 PM (GMT -6) | | Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, georgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually who are we not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in all of us. And as we let our light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we're liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.
Marianne Williamson
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One Love
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 2/27/2008 6:36 PM (GMT -6) | | |
I HAVEN'T HEARD THESE YET, BUT THE TITLE REMINDED ME OF D's NEW HANDLE. 
Archived Recordings:
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One Love
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| Posted 2/27/2008 10:59 PM (GMT -6) | | Just finished listening to the first one...
I agree 100% with the stuff Fr. Hopko's saying.
I kept finding myself saying "AMEN!" and "HAYELL, YEAH!!" 
Thanks for posting this, Bruce.
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One Love
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| Posted 2/29/2008 9:00 AM (GMT -6) | | Ok.
After listening to all 3 of Fr. Hopko's talks here...
I am quite certain that my take on epicletic faith is significantly defensible, with respect to the Quadrilateral.
Maybe I oughta email him.
Bruce, what do you think?
What gets me is this...
Everything that Fr. Hopko was talking about...goes EXACTLY with the grounding views I have of "Dispositional Christology."
Epiklesis, baby.
Too sweet. 
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 3/2/2008 4:10 PM (GMT -6) | | |
HERE'S PART FOUR:
Programs:
Discovering The Will Of God - Part 4
Posted Saturday, March 01, 2008
And here is the 4th and concluding part of this talk from Eagle River in Alaska.
Discovering The Will Of God - Part 3
Posted Tuesday, February 19, 2008
This is part 3 of Matthew's lecture at Eagle River in Alaska.
Discovering The Will Of God - Part 2
Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008
This is part 2 of Matthew's 4 part lecture delivered at Eagle River in Alaska.
Discovering The Will Of God - Part 1
Posted Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Matthew just returned from Alaska where he spoke at Eagle River Institute on the topic of Discovering the Will of God. His next few episodes will feature that lecture.
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One Love
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| Posted 3/2/2008 7:12 PM (GMT -6) | | Great stuff!
10:00-12:00 mins of the program
DIRECTLY RELEVANT to the discussion between Tom and me. about God's will with respect to God's wanting to determine events in our lives for God's purposes ...
"But of course there are still those decisions we have to make, right? Should I take that job? Should I marry this person? Those have to be answered. And God is concerned about those things. God isn't concerned specifically about the 'events' of our lives, but the events of our lives are...where this whole growth of oneness occurs. And God always...well, I shouldn't say always...because one of the things my spiritual father has taught me over the years is that sometimes, God really looks at us and says 'Choose.' But many other times, God certainly knows that one of these choices that you make is certainly going to do more to tranform your life...and bring you to oneness with Him and each other...than other things."
Whoever knows and recognizes how near God’s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, “God is in this place, and I knew it not.”
Meister Eckhart, "The Nearness of the Kingdom"
Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 3/3/2008 12:47 AM (GMT -6) | | D., your lead statement will make Tom think that God ALWAYS determines EVERYTHING. I'm afraid he won't read up to the sometimes...sometimes part:
"But of course there are still those decisions we have to make, right? Should I take that job? Should I marry this person? Those have to be answered. And God is concerned about those things. God isn't concerned specifically about the 'events' of our lives, but the events of our lives are...where this whole growth of oneness occurs. And God always...well, I shouldn't say always...because one of the things my spiritual father has taught me over the years is that sometimes, God really looks at us and says 'Choose.' But many other times, God certainly knows that one of these choices that you make is certainly going to do more to tranform your life...and bring you to oneness with Him and each other...than other things."
NOT just the "canvas," eh, Tom?
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