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Penny
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|  Posted 2/9/2008 12:50 PM (GMT -6) |   | |
I want to know what you mean. The tone of your threads is so keyed up that I’m sure your posts must say great things. But try as I may, they are too high for me to grasp. The words are just too big and strange.
So I will throw down my glove.
Who can say what you mean so folks like me can know too?
Who can win the prize for the one who says it best?
Then post on this thread if you dare --
Say what is good and true at the core in small words that have just one part.
Do you think it will be too hard to say what you mean with small words?
See what this man says: http://sitemaker.umich.edu/goodwinwebpage/files/short_words__thomas_.doc
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Penny
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| Posted 2/9/2008 9:27 PM (GMT -6) | | OK, I’ll take my own dare.
Some of these threads are full of knots that are tied with at least two strings. I want the strings to be clear so I can help work out the knot. So tell me if I get your string right or wrong, or if you want to add more strings that I missed—go for it!
String One: Love Means One Will
God wants us to be one with him—just as one as the Three-in-One. Though he was God, Christ gave up all the great things that meant to be one of us so that we can be more and more like God. To do this we can choose to give up our whole will to God, just like Christ did, so we can be one with him. This is what the church in the east thought since way way back, and what we can think—and feel—here and now and for all time.
String Two: Love Means More Than One Will
God knows and loves us and wants us to know and love him too. So God made a world with room for more than one will to give and take. But we use our wills to hide from God and fill the whole world with pain and grief. So God sent Christ to make a way for us to use our wills to know and love God and heal the world, not hurt it. We find joy and peace in our work with God for the world.
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JET
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| Posted 2/9/2008 9:54 PM (GMT -6) | | | Well done, Penn. Your post reads like a breath of fresh air, though at first I could not tell why. Mono-syl ... uh ... small words that just have one part. Cool. | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 2/9/2008 9:57 PM (GMT -6) | | Small words? What are those again?
Oh well...let me try.
String Three: Love Means the Creative Interplay of "Oneness of Perspective" and "Differentiation of Perspective"
This theme is in the Godhead (3 Persons, 1 Divine Being), in Christ the Logos ( "two-natures-in-one-person" ), and in the Church (Christ as ONE Head of the MANY-ORGANED Body; diverse gifts, one Spirit, etc). It's also grounded in the very concept of self-relationality itself.
Darn. Still polysyllabic.
DARN. I used the word "polysyllabic"! I'm hopeless! 
In the Spirit of Christ, BE Christ to every "Christ" you see when you look at yourself and other human beings. "Insofar as you've done to the least of these..." Post Edited (Imago Dei) : 2/9/2008 9:02:56 PM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 2/9/2008 10:16 PM (GMT -6) | | | Trying it again...
Love Means "I am 'Same'...AND...I am 'Not-The-Same' "That's about as good as I can get it. 
In the Spirit of Christ, BE Christ to every "Christ" you see when you look at yourself and other human beings. "Insofar as you've done to the least of these..." | | Back to Top | | |
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Penny
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| Posted 2/9/2008 11:02 PM (GMT -6) | | | JET: Thanks for your kind words--short and sweet.
Imago: I knew you would want to write your own string. Nice try, but no roach--this time. 
Pot: If you want to take the dare, please use small words in a tongue we all can speak. Thanks.
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Penny
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| Posted 2/10/2008 1:14 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom: You rock! 
Imago: Light it up! Just one thing: I still don't get it...the "Love in Depth" is too deep for me...
Help?
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Penny
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| Posted 2/10/2008 1:24 AM (GMT -6) | | |
A bit more small talk...
Think of the way Christ spoke the truth so we could grasp it.
He spoke of things like:
bread and wine, rocks that cry out, trees that bear fruit or get thrown in the fire, wind that blows where it will, small seeds that grow large, sheep and goats, Son of God, Son of Man, the least of these, a lost coin that is found (like me  )
He said things like:
on this rock I will build, go and sin no more, who do you say I am?, feed my sheep, watch and pray, keep your lamps lit, seek and you will find, I stand at the door and knock, they know not what they do, peace be still
Our minds race with thoughts so deep and wide—it’s good to pause once in a while and try to say them as small as we can. It helps us hold on tight to the core so we don’t slip off the edge when things start to spin.
Dares to be as great as we can come from all sides all the time. Dare to be small for a change.
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One Love
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| Posted 2/10/2008 1:34 AM (GMT -6) | | 1) As I see it, "Love in Depth" is when "I", "you", or "we" see and feel the "One/More-Than-One" truth that is in love itself. In love, "more-than-one" can be "one"...and "one" can be "more-than-one". In love, each is IN all and all is IN each. Hope that helps. 
2) He spoke of things like: Do not cast pearls before swine...If you do not eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no part of me...I and "Dad" are one... Small words (with big punch! ) that got Christ judged, left by so called friends, and killed in the end.
In the Spirit of Christ, BE Christ to every "Christ" you see when you look at yourself and other human beings. "Insofar as you've done to the least of these..." Post Edited (Imago Dei) : 2/10/2008 12:40:00 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 2/10/2008 7:24 AM (GMT -6) | | The creed from Nicaea and Constantinople
I believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
And in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 2/10/2008 8:24 AM (GMT -6) | | You know, any smaller words than that and you run the risk of inserting different meaning into the Creed. There comes a point where the reader has to learn what is being said. Hense the economy of what is written, making that possible.
Penny didn't like the Greek or the German versions. That's funny. Some terms and ideas in English might be "bigger" than the originals were/are in Greek. And the German language, by its nature, using its grammer and the way it can string a lot of small words together to make a big word, has great power for communicating and examining (like auferstehung for resurrection).
I like Anglo-Saxon, almost as much as Tolkein did (read Humphrey Carpenter's biography), and that root language of English has great potency in its economy. But English also has many, many other langages both in it and using it. Therefore I will not back down from a word like "Salvation" in favor of a "whiter" word. Comprendre.
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Penny
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| Posted 2/10/2008 12:14 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Imago: 1) As I see it, "Love in Depth" is when "I", "you", or "we" see and feel the "One/More-Than-One" truth that is in love itself. In love, "more-than-one" can be "one"...and "one" can be "more-than-one". In love, each is IN all and all is IN each. Hope that helps. 
Cent: It just seems like a big blob of love to me. But I'll chew on it some more. 
What do you think of String One? Was I warm or cold?
Imago: 2) He spoke of things like: Do not cast pearls before swine...If you do not eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no part of me...I and "Dad" are one... Small words (with big punch! ) that got Christ judged, left by so called friends, and killed in the end.
Cent: True, true. And this is the time of Lent, when we turn our thoughts to the cross he bore for us.
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