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PotOnWheel
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Posted 4/13/2008 5:08 PM (GMT -6)

Dear Tom,

I want to tell you that I've enjoyed reading Being With God by Aristotle Papanikaolaou’s.

I read the section in the last chapter called Person as Ekstasis and Hypostasis.

http://www.opentheismboard.org/default.aspx?f=5&m=98141

Wonderful. I read it slowly and marked up my paperback version.

I don't have oportunity to read more soon. Family life is going to take over for today and Monday, and maybe Tuesday.

Again, thank you for the occasion to read that.

It was really great!

(o)

Post Edited (plato's_playdough) : 4/13/2008 8:33:07 PM (GMT-5)

PotOnWheel
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Posted 4/13/2008 8:31 PM (GMT -6)

Zizoulas, from AP's book -- the part I scanned:

Thus personhood implies the 'openness of being', and even more than
that, the ek-stasis of being, i.e. a movement towards communion which
leads to a transcendence of the boundaries of the 'self and thus to free
dom. At the same time, and in contrast to the partiality of the individual
which is subject to addition and combination, the person in its ekstatic
character reveals its being in a catholic, i.e. integral and undivided way,
and thus in its being ekstatic it becomes hypostatic, i.e. the bearer of its
nature in its totality.²⁹

(o)

Tom
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Posted 4/14/2008 1:36 AM (GMT -6)

There's a paperback version of AP's book? Dang. I paid for the hardback edition.

AP's book is a treatment of Zizy and Lossky. There are moments when AP hints at disagreement, but since his goal is just to describe their theologies, he never goes off on his own. For example, he has some problems with the monarchia of the Father, but he never discusses it. Maybe he does so elsewhere.

Glad you liked that chapter. It helped me. I still disagree on the nature of the eucharist, but as far as freedom, love, and personhood go, I think the chapter was great.

Tom

PotOnWheel
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Posted 4/14/2008 9:37 AM (GMT -6)

plato's_playdough said...
Zizoulas, from AP's book -- the part I scanned:

Thus personhood implies the 'openness of being', and even more than
that, the ek-stasis of being, i.e. a movement towards communion which
leads to a transcendence of the boundaries of the 'self and thus to free
dom. At the same time, and in contrast to the partiality of the individual
which is subject to addition and combination, the person in its ekstatic
character reveals its being in a catholic, i.e. integral and undivided way,
and thus in its being ekstatic it becomes hypostatic, i.e. the bearer of its
nature in its totality.²⁹

Tom and Dwayne, if you had NEVER heard of "OpenTheism" and worked JUST with the notion of the "OPENNESS OF BEING" implied in personhood, as presented in Zizzy and Lossky by AP, WHAT would you develop from that one notion?

I 'd l i k e t o k n o w.

(o)

Tom
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Posted 4/14/2008 10:26 AM (GMT -6)

I'd conclude that we become fully persons in relationship to God, that we were endowed by God with a freedom to creatively express love in unique ways, that the future was open, and that all of this was the will of God.

Tom

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