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One Love
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| Posted 5/13/2008 7:03 AM (GMT -6) |   | | The idea of an African American President.
By Kevin Merida 
updated 2:04 a.m. CT, Tues., May. 13, 2008
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In Muncie, a factory town in the east-central part of Indiana, Ross and her cohorts were soliciting support for Obama at malls, on street corners and in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and they ran into "a horrible response," as Ross put it, a level of anti-black sentiment that none of them had anticipated. "The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,' " recalled Ross, who is white and just turned 20. "People just weren't receptive."
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Documentary filmmaker Rory Kennedy, the daughter of the late Robert F. Kennedy, said she, too, came across "a lot of racism" when campaigning for Obama in Pennsylvania. One Pittsburgh union organizer told her he would not vote for Obama because he is black, and a white voter, she said, offered this frank reason for not backing Obama: "White people look out for white people, and black people look out for black people."
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Karen Seifert, a volunteer from New York, was outside of the largest polling location in Lackawanna County, Pa., on primary day when she was pressed by a Clinton volunteer to explain her backing of Obama. "I trust him," Seifert replied. According to Seifert, the woman pointed to Obama's face on Seifert's T-shirt and said: "He's a half-breed and he's a Muslim. How can you trust that?"
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And my favorite....
Victoria Switzer, a retired social studies teacher, was on phone-bank duty one night during the Pennsylvania primary campaign. One night was all she could take: "It wasn't pretty." She made 60 calls to prospective voters in Susquehanna County, her home county, which is 98 percent white. The responses were dispiriting. One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"
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Hmmm...
I haven't been called a "darky" in a long time (Back when I was in Texas)
It's 2008, right?
God help us all.
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One Love
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| Posted 5/13/2008 7:07 AM (GMT -6) | | I just had a flashback of the Rodney King verdict...and my then "conclusions" about "White America"
Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a sinner...
Whoever knows and recognizes how near God’s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, “God is in this place, and I knew it not.”
Meister Eckhart, "The Nearness of the Kingdom"
Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.
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One Love
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| Posted 5/13/2008 1:21 PM (GMT -6) | | Feelin:
A little racism never hurt anyone...esprecially when its blown out of proportion...
Any responses to Feelin's sentiment, ladies and gentlemen? Tom? Corey? Teresa? Jeff? Bruce? Vi?
I have no words right now.
Whoever knows and recognizes how near God’s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, “God is in this place, and I knew it not.”
Meister Eckhart, "The Nearness of the Kingdom"
Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.
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One Love
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| Posted 5/13/2008 1:36 PM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
How about a McCain/Rice ticket? Hmmm?
Something I recently read about Condi...
Washingon Times
Rice hits U.S. 'birth defect'
By Nicholas Kralev
March 28, 2008
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States still has trouble dealing with race because of a national "birth defect" that denied black Americans the opportunities given to whites at the country's very founding.
"Black Americans were a founding population," she said. "Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together — Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That's not a very pretty reality of our founding."
As a result, Miss Rice told editors and reporters at The Washington Times, "descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that."
"That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today," she said."
Read the rest...but a little racism never hurt anyone...
Whoever knows and recognizes how near God’s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, “God is in this place, and I knew it not.”
Meister Eckhart, "The Nearness of the Kingdom"
Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.
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One Love
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| Posted 5/13/2008 1:41 PM (GMT -6) | | The inherent systemic allocation of resources and power based upon unjustice and inequity, particularly with people of color, that has existed since the founding of our country.
Whoever knows and recognizes how near God’s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, “God is in this place, and I knew it not.”
Meister Eckhart, "The Nearness of the Kingdom"
Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.
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One Love
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| Posted 5/13/2008 1:44 PM (GMT -6) | | Laika,
OJ and Rodney King demonstrates (in opposing polarities) how justice is perverted by the outworkings of racism.
Both were travesties of justice. Both.
Whoever knows and recognizes how near God’s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, “God is in this place, and I knew it not.”
Meister Eckhart, "The Nearness of the Kingdom"
Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.
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Laika
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| Posted 5/13/2008 1:49 PM (GMT -6) | |
Tom said...Laika: How about an OJ Simpson/Rodney King ticket? Tom: Hey Laika. I don't get it. I'm serious. Read rummors that Condi was a possibility. I think it would actually be a good choice. But OJ and King? T
Condi Rice would be a good candidate.
Obama is a good candidate.
Anyone just to end the whole Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton monarchy.
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Corey
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| Posted 5/13/2008 7:17 PM (GMT -6) | | | I found feelin's comments to be so insensitive and stupid that I'm going to just ban him from the board. Screw it. The point of the board is productive dialogue. Maybe later.
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If I get five votes asking for him back, so be it.
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 5/13/2008 10:12 PM (GMT -6) | | | And in order for him to become President he has to be voted in. It's a shame, but that's the way some people are going to vote. They are going to vote for someone else because they are going to vote against a black man. In one sense I don't know what the point you are trying to make is. They're entitled to vote their consciences...as sick as those are.
By the way, how is the OJ Simpson case a perversion of justice? Rodney King, I can understand. OJ, it isn't quite so clear.
Brandon
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 5/15/2008 8:59 AM (GMT -6) | | There are after all ultra conservatives out there. I don't THINK feelinahole is approving of racism. That would be pretty blatant. I think feelin is expressing exasperation towards the liberal tenet that there is actually a racial problem on a systemic level and doing so in a sarcastic exaggerated sort of way. Probably best to hear him out before putt'n him on the chopping block.
Brandon
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Laika
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| Posted 5/15/2008 9:56 AM (GMT -6) | |
Corey said...
If I get five votes asking for him back, so be it.
BURN HIM!!!
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Tom
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| Posted 5/15/2008 3:48 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Putting it to a vote might not be the best way to go. Not sure. Corey, you're the administrator, and you host the site. It's your decision as far as I'm concerned. You can ban him or not, or ban him temporarily, or allow him to stay on the condition that he changes his approach, which I admit often baffles me. I’m sorry to say that I pretty much don’t pay attention to what he says anymore because of this sort of thing. I didn’t appreciate the comment dissing PBS when all we were doing was admiring a particular musician. It just leaves me wondering, “Where did that come from? What’s the point?”
Some people manage themselves fine on discussion boards regardless of whatever else is going on. They focus on just those replies that matter to them and can ignore stuff that doesn't contribute. They hardly notice stuff outside their focus. But not everybody is like that. It's at least within the rights of members to expect the forum to hold to some standard of decorum and respectful dialogue.
Nobody’s perfect. We’ve all lost it online at one point or another and came back to apologize for not respecting good decorum, including Feeling (in past days as I remember). If you want to ask Feeling to come to terms with that and continue on, fine. If you think not, fine. But if he stays, it’d be nice to see some change.
Tom
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Corey
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| Posted 5/15/2008 4:18 PM (GMT -6) | | Yeah... I just don't want to be too autocratic; maybe I just want more fingerprints on the gun so-to-speak. Those that know me know I'm not a control freak.
My opinion is that Feelin' had more than enough chance, in his hundreds and hundreds of posts, to dialogue productively. My reaction to Feelin' is in proportion the offense that I perceive in Dwayne. Clearly, this "dialogue" is not edifying, nor does it seem that it was even intended to be. Hence my sentiment, "screw it."
I don't think I'm just reacting to a particular instance, although it was precipitated by one.
What do you think, D?
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