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One Love
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Posted 5/24/2008 6:05 AM (GMT -6)

Imagine a fully glorified non-divine human person in the eschaton. Can this human person ever say "I and the Father are one", understanding the "I" to refer to the non-divine human person's "first-person" experience of themselves?

If so, could you express how you understand that.

Whoever knows and recognizes how near God’s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, “God is in this place, and I knew it not.”
Meister Eckhart, "The Nearness of the Kingdom"

Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the Kingdom of God is within you.

PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/24/2008 8:53 AM (GMT -6)

Dwayne, it confuses me (and looks strained on your part) for you to say: refer[ing] to the non-divine human person's "first-person" experience of themselves [to say "I and the Father are one"].

And why so cryptic?

But, let me try. I'm finding myself thinking in a somewhat creative fashioin (or is it the morning fog?) and asking whether I can find the "I_AM" in the verb "to be" as "ARE", as in "are one." SND we confess that the Son is I_AM and the Father is I_AM, but I am not.

Why so circum.......

(o)

PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/24/2008 9:06 AM (GMT -6)

OUR becoming one with God and sharing in the devine nature IS A FOREVER PROCESS by Grace, and not by nature.

(o)

Tom
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Posted 5/24/2008 10:27 AM (GMT -6)

Given everything I've said, even the good stuff you liked very recently, you know my answer is no, we can't say we are one 'in sujective perspective'. Corey, you and I just went through all this.

T

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