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One Love
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Posted 7/17/2008 5:26 AM (GMT -6)

REPOSTING...

More Loder. In his book (with W. Jim Neidhardt), The Knight's Move: The Relational Logic of the Spirit in Theology and Science, there is a section called "The Spiritual Recentering of Human Development." Here, he discusses his model of spirtual growth. All parentheses and emphases are mine.

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This model further suggests that human development, currently being studied almost exclusively at the level of ego function and formation, is to be reinterpreted as centering not on the ego (Note: The self-understandings of "Tom" and "Dwayne" EGO-FORMATIONS...mental constructs that our brains have garnered because of our EMBODIED experiences between the "Self" and "Lived World"! This is extremely important to understand!) but on intensification as a bipolarity that extends between the ego and the Absolute Unity of Being. This bipolarity may be seen as the spiritual axis for human development, which intersects the arc of ego-development as one of it's polarities, and Absolute Unity at the center, as the other. Ego development (Erikson, Piaget, Kohlberg, etc) may be seen as circumnambulation around the center, the Absolute Unity of Being, but left to itself ego development is inextricably rooted in negation and eventual death. (Note: The mental formation of the ego CANNOT maintain it's self-relational integrity by itself. It needs a transcendent ground to do that. SK was RIGHT!) Spiritual development consists in increased access between the ego and the Divine center, not in ego development per se. Thus, the immature ego of the child may have greater access to the Center and be more spiritually mature than an adult ego with less access. (Note: Remember AKIANE, the artist child of God?) However, the adult ego may be more articulate with less access than the child and so effectively confuse the issue, making it appear incorrectly that ego development is definitive of spiritual development.

Although it cannot be fully spelled out here, this model suggests that the classic fourfold pattern of spiritual development is parallel to the phases of intensification. This pattern moves from awakening to purgation to illumination to unification, and at each stage access to the Divine center is enhanced as ego anxiety and strategies of defense subside. Thus, if the Christological nature of the model pertains as described above, then spiritual development may be conceived as a way of life in which one increasingly appropriates the bipolar coherence of Christ into one's own nature. It should be evident that this in no way represents ego inflation or egoistic striving: it is precisely the opposite; but the "I" who says "I, not I, but Christ" is not lost, only recentered from the ego ("Tom", "Dwayne", etc) to the One who holds in his nature the full and complete account of the mutual indwelling of the Divine and the human.

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In the same book, from the section is "The Self's Experiential Appropriation of Trinitarian Life", pp.299-300 (All parentheses Loder's)

Let us now summarize the experiential appropriation of trinitarian life by way of the same three levels Torrance used to describe the emergence fo the doctrine of the Trinity. First, the spontaneous creative work of consciousness which is both autobiographical (involving the "I" ) and symbolically constructed (not merely awareness as shared with lower animals) is, as we have suggested, implicitly but not sufficiently perichoretic. It is already the bearer of despair. Second, intentional efforts to created a new frame of knowledge vis-a-vis any given situation or problem, as in Einstein's productive thought, approaches ever more profoundly, but still insufficiently, the perichoretic potential in the mind and self of the knower. Even great creative efforts do not elude despair. Third, for Kierkegaard, is the decisive level in which the Divine Presence is able, in turn, to indwell the self via the Holy Spirit. That is, the Holy Spirit generates an open-ended reality that replicates in human nature the Divine nature of the Trinity. Here the image indwells its Original and, at the same time, and because of that indwelling, becomes a reflection of it. The transparently grounded self is thus sustained as such by the Divine nature and at the same time is transcended by it as Original transcends image.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."

Post Edited (Shekinah) : 7/17/2008 5:44:00 AM (GMT-5)

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Posted 7/17/2008 5:27 AM (GMT -6)

This is my best shot. Bed. now.

Here's the whole thread at once...

www.opentheismboard.org/pr.aspx?f=10&m=99953

Zzzzzzzz.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/17/2008 5:32 AM (GMT -6)

Sweet dreams Bro. Rest well.

Shhhhh. Rock a bye baby, on the tree top...sshhhhh...when the wind bl....

T

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Posted 7/17/2008 5:37 AM (GMT -6)

One last thing. Look at Moore's concluding chapter. Beginning page 191.

See what he says about "the memory of our historical development will serve to preserve our uniqueness as persons." (pp. 192-193)

This "MEMORY" explicitly deals with the "lived world" and the emergent "self" that Loder talks about.

The human being, Jesus, HAS one of these! So do we.

Put it all together.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

Post Edited (Shekinah) : 7/17/2008 5:43:46 AM (GMT-5)

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Posted 7/17/2008 6:06 AM (GMT -6)

I am not of this world...

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Extraterrestrial
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTso4MGednQ

Lil Wayne
Phone Home
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Bonhoeffer: Christians On Earth Live As Aliens

Thus the life of the Christian community in the world bears permanent witness to the truth that “the fashion of this world passeth away” (1 Cor 7:31), that the time is short (1 Cor 7:29) and the Lord is nigh (Phil 4:5). This thought fills them with joy unspeakable (Phil 4:4). The world is growing too small for the Christian community, and all it looks for is the Lord’s return. It still walks in the flesh , but with eyes upturned to heaven, whence he for whom they wait will come again. In the world the Christians are a colony of the true home, they are strangers and aliens in a foreign land, enjoying the hospitality of that land, obeying its laws and honouring its government. They receive with gratitude the requirements of their bodily life, and in all things prove themselves honest, just, chaste, gentle, peaceable, and ready to serve. They show the love of God to all men, “but specially to them that are of the household of faith” (Gal 6:10; 2 Pet 1:7). They are patient and cheerful in suffering, and they glory in tribulation. They live their own life under alien rulers and alien laws. Above all, they pray for all in authority, for that is their greatest service. But they are only passing through the country. At any moment they may receive the signal to move on. Then they will strike tents, leaving behind them all their worldly friends and connections, and following only the voice of their Lord who calls. They leave the land of their exile, and start their homeward trek to heaven.

Amid poverty and suffering, hunger and thirst, they are meek, merciful, and peacemakers, persecuted and scorned by the world, although it is for their sake alone that the world is allowed to continue, and it is they who protect the world from the wrath and judgment of God. They are strangers and sojourners on earth (Heb 11:13, 13:14; 1 Pet 2:11). They seek those things that are above, not the things that are on the earth (Col 3:2). For their true life is not yet made manifest, but hidden with Christ in God. Here they see no more than the reflection of what they shall be. Here all that is visible is their dying, their secret daily death unto the old man, and their manifest death before the world. They are still hidden from themselves, and their left hand knows not what their right hand does. Although they are a visible society, they are always unknown even to themselves, looking only to their Lord. He is in heaven, their life is with him, and for him they wait. But when Christ, who is their life, shall be manifested, then they too shall be manifested with him in glory (Col 3:4).

They wander on earth and live in heaven, and although they are weak, they protect the world; they taste of peace in the midst of turmoil; they are poor, and yet they have all they want. They stand in suffering and remain in joy, they appear dead to all outward sense and lead a life of faith within.

That is the Church of the elect, the Ecclesia, those who have been called out, the Body of Christ on earth, the followers and disciples of Jesus.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

Post Edited (Shekinah) : 7/17/2008 6:09:35 AM (GMT-5)

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Posted 7/17/2008 6:29 AM (GMT -6)

Loder: This model further suggests that human development, currently being studied almost exclusively at the level of ego function and formation, is to be reinterpreted as centering not on the ego but on intensification as a bipolarity that extends between the ego and the Absolute Unity of Being. This bipolarity may be seen as the spiritual axis for human development, which intersects the arc of ego-development as one of its polarities, and Absolute Unity at the center, as the other. Ego development (Erikson, Piaget, Kohlberg, etc) may be seen as circumnambulation around the center, the Absolute Unity of Being, but left to itself ego development is inextricably rooted in negation and eventual death. Spiritual development consists in increased access between the ego and the Divine center, not in ego development per se. It should be evident that this in no way represents ego inflation or egoistic striving: it is precisely the opposite; but the "I" who says "I, not I, but Christ" is not lost, only recentered from the ego to the One who holds in his nature the full and complete account of the mutual indwelling of the Divine and the human. (Note: Christ becomes the true "subject" of all one's experience!)

Tom: Just going with this…

Most of what Loder says I have no problem with. It looks to me like he’s just saying that personal identity is ecstatic (which I’ve always agreed to), that is, personal identity is always dialectical, a ‘reaching out from’ and exchange between two subjects who share intimately. The personal identity of each subsists in the mutual sharing of life (I’ll try to post more later my definition of “intimacy”; it’s important). One “reaches out from” one’s own center of existing to another and forms its own identity through the valuation, affirmation, and celebration of intimacy.

But there’s an inconsistency in Loder’s comments. On the one hand, ego function and formation (that is, the emergence and freedom of creaturely personhood) does not “center” on the ego “but on intensification as a bipolarity that extends between the ego and the Absolute Unity of Being.” Look at this closely. It does not center on the ego but rather centers on the bipolarity that extends between the ego and God. So FIRST, you have the human identity/person as one pole and God as the other pole. That’s fine. But God here is clearly not “the center” IF he also stands as one of the poles in the relationship. You can’t be a ‘pole’ AND be the ‘center’ at the same time. There is no one ‘personal’ identity which is the ‘preferred center’ of a bipolar unity. Bipolar means just that—two poles.

SECONDLY, Loder abandons what would be an otherwise great analogy of inter-personal (between two ‘poles’) relationality when he relocates God from being one POLE to being THE CENTER. Notice the change: “This bipolarity may be seen as the spiritual axis for human development, which intersects the arc of ego-development as one of its polarities and Absolute Unity at the center as the other.” “At the center as the other”? As the other what? As the other “polarity” of course. How does one pole in a bipolar relationship stand “as the center” of the two? Doesn’t work. It makes no sense to say human beings and God stand in bipolar relationship and then also say one is “centered” in the other. The mixing of metaphors leaves me empty-handed. I don’t know what’s being said. Ego development, he says, occurs as the ego (one pole) revolves “around the center [God].” But that’s quite impossible IF the relationship is bipolar. In bipolar relationships, neither pole revolves around the other. There is just the interpersonal connectedness and intimate exchange of life.

So there’s a bit of confusion in Loder’s analogy.

Loder says, “left to itself ego development is inextricably rooted in negation and eventual death.” I absolutely agree. But where he sees ego development (creaturely personhood, I’d say) as revolving around a divine center, I’d stick with the bipolar analogy (which disallows either pole becoming “the” center of the relationship), in which each is in relation to the other as an other.

The point is that since personhood is by definition ecstatic, human beings are driven to connect to some other pole (or even worse, to themselves) some “other” which/who will provide a sufficient partner for the fullest development of their own identity. We all agree that this comes only from God. No problem. The question is whether the human subject in this relationship is a free and creative non-divine person or just a function of the divine (as in Maximus). If the answer to that is that we are the former, then the second question is whether Christ is an example of this. I say the human in Christ is not a non-divine person relating to the divine as a personal other.

Lastly, to say “Christ becomes the TRUE subject of my experience” demeans the integrity of creaturely personhood and experience. Am I less than a “true” subject of my own experience? It’s also incompatible with the ‘bipolar’ nature of divine-human relationality. If one of the poles is the subject of what’s experienced at both ends of the axis, then the bipolar nature of the relationship is in fact destroyed. What would it be? It would be a monism of personal identity so far as divine-human relationality is concerned.

Tom

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Posted 7/17/2008 6:31 AM (GMT -6)

I give. I cannot try anymore.

Just go for what you know, Tom.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/17/2008 6:41 AM (GMT -6)

That's it? That's what you got from Moore?

Wow.

T

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Posted 7/17/2008 6:42 AM (GMT -6)

I guess so.

Go rest Bro. I'll be here for an eternity, stuck in your memory for all time! ;o)

T

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Posted 7/17/2008 6:56 AM (GMT -6)

Why am I such a damn glutton for punishment? Argh.

Quickly.

For the sake of analogy...

There is a bi-polar assymetrical relational unity between the Sun and the Earth. Two interacting "poles" in a indivisible relational unity.

This irreducibly bi-polar assymetrical relational unity of the can be seen most clearly in the ACTIONS/APPEARANCES OF THE MOON. You cannot abstract the Moon's orbit and/or luminescence (from new moon to full moon) without keeping BOTH poles in play. But we know that ONE "pole" exerts "marginal control" over the other assymmetrically.

We USED to think the Sun went around the Earth...like the Moon.

Now we know better. We've moved from GEOCENTRIC living to HELIOCENTRIC living. And as we relate according to the truth of the situation, we have discovered even more about Earth, the Sun, and the Moon.

Let Sun <=> Divine Center/Presence, "point of pure truth"

Let Earth <=> relatively autonomous human "I" formed in the human mind/brain interaction

God in heaven, PLEASE let this work.

At the center of our being is a point of nothingness which is untouched by sin and by illusion, a point of pure truth, a point or spark which belongs entirely to God, which is never at our disposal, from which God disposes of our lives, which is inaccessible to the fantasies of our own mind or the brutalities of our own will. This little point of nothingness and of absolute poverty is the pure glory of God in us. It its so to speak his name written on us, as our poverty, as our indigence, and our dependence, as our sonship. It is like a pure diamond , blazing with the invisible light of heaven. It is in everybody, and if we could see it we would see these billions or points of light coming together in the face and blaze of a sun that would make all the darkness and cruelty of life vanish completely…The gate of heaven is everywhere.

Thomas Merton

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You CAN be a "pole" and a "center" at the same time...especially if you are the Holy One.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

Post Edited (Shekinah) : 7/17/2008 7:45:06 AM (GMT-5)

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Posted 7/17/2008 6:56 AM (GMT -6)

What are you doing up? Go sleep!

T

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Posted 7/17/2008 6:59 AM (GMT -6)

I'm manic right now.

We're gonna GET this, darnit!

I'm having a Greg moment.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/17/2008 7:01 AM (GMT -6)

And please forget the "Christ becomes the TRUE subject of my experience” thing. That statement was in the original post...and I deleted that from the this post (as you saw) because I KNEW that it was an overstatement that would catch you up. (which it DID quite predictably)

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/17/2008 7:16 AM (GMT -6)

Keeping the Sun/Earth analogy in mind...

Misrelating perception, evaluation, appreciation of reality <=> Ptolemy's worldview

Rightly-relating perception, evaluation, appreciation of reality <=> Copernicus' worldview

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/17/2008 7:34 AM (GMT -6)

Well, I've said a lot, so I'll rest. Hopefully you'll engage what I've said.

If that's what Loder had in mind with bipolar (i.e, the Earth's revolving around the Sun), fine. I wouldn't call that a "bipolar" relationship at all. I'd call it a "radial" relationship or something like that. Anyhow. I don't have any problems with the dialectical or ekstatic nature of personal identity. I just posit (in our case) two persons in relation, not two natures in relation (as is the case with Christ) in one person.

Tom

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Posted 7/17/2008 7:36 AM (GMT -6)

Wait!

Tom:
I say the human in Christ is not a non-divine person relating to the divine as a personal other.

I will repost...and show you something.

"Not my will..." <=> Christ-the-Logos' personal will (exercising the human/non-divine will via the power of his human/non-divine spirit)

"...but Your Will be done." <=> God the Father's determinative will for Christ's future "world composition" for Himself (Christ), via the indwelling Holy Spirit within Him (Christ).

Only the human being Jesus of Nazareth has the Logos' divine personal will.

No other human being has that divine personal will in their human hypostasis.

But OUR human/non-divine personal will can exercise OUR human/non-divine will via the power of OUR human/non-divine spirit in the same way Christ did in his full humanity: his human spirit being perichoretically indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God.

Now...what do you hear me saying?

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

Post Edited (Shekinah) : 7/17/2008 7:40:00 AM (GMT-5)

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Posted 7/17/2008 7:43 AM (GMT -6)

Christ-the-Logos' human/non-divine) spirit (and the human/non-divine will associated with it) was the means by which a DIVINE PERSON (through His personal will) was able to experience a NON-DIVINE existential reality: separation from God, isolation, exclusion, and death.

"My God, My God! Why have You foresaken Me?"

Come on, dude. I know this makes sense...

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

Post Edited (Shekinah) : 7/17/2008 7:46:41 AM (GMT-5)

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Posted 7/17/2008 8:04 AM (GMT -6)

Just...one...more...thing...

Promise.

Question: What is the LEAST the Incarnate Word shows us "metaphysically" about the capacity of the human hypostasis?

Answer: The human hypostasis (body and soul) was designed to be able to "enshrine" the Trinity in itself, such that it is "in" the human world, but not "of" the human world. The experience would be "mundane ecstasy" and "Abba, Father" existential reality. Producing the "God-satisfied" human and the "God-striving" expression of that human being. The Trinity was in Jesus' full self...and it was this way naturally. Enhypostasis. Enhominization. When we, CREATED HUMAN PERSONS, are "filled with the Holy Spirit", fully living in our "logos", in "ever-moving rest" unto deification...we also "enshrine" the Trinity in our very selves as "temples of God"...and it is this way by grace through faith.

In the Transfiguration, we see three human beings (Elijah, Moses, and Jesus) that shine with divine glory, evidence of the Triune God permeating these human "God-lovers". The crucial difference between the "God-loving trio" was that Jesus WAS the light of life (given the personal will of the Logos who is inseparable from divine life) whereas Moses and Elijah have the light of life IN them, via the indwelling Holy Spirit of God.

We were designed to be "Children of Light", who are "complete in love" as God is "complete in love."

Make sense?

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

Post Edited (Shekinah) : 7/17/2008 8:09:26 AM (GMT-5)

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Posted 7/17/2008 2:27 PM (GMT -6)

D, check your hotmail.

T

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Posted 7/17/2008 3:29 PM (GMT -6)

the THIRD program (of four) by Hopko...

How We Speak Of God - Part 3

Posted Thursday, July 17, 2008

This time, Fr. Thomas speaks of the Activities and Actions of God.

How We Speak Of God - Part 2

Posted Monday, July 14, 2008

Fr. Tom continues his discussion, this time focusing on the Divine Attributes of God.

How We Speak Of God - Part 1

Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008

Fr. Thomas begins a four-part series on naming God and the language and words we use in the process.

(o)

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Posted 7/17/2008 4:02 PM (GMT -6)

Thanks, Tom. Very good stuff.

Feelin' reeeeeeal good about this stuff.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/17/2008 4:09 PM (GMT -6)

I wonder would Moore agree that the "the memory of our historical development" that will "serve to preserve our uniqueness as persons" (P. 192-193) cannot be separated from a given human hypostasis' BRAIN and the neural pathways irreplacably unique to that brain and the self-transcending agency that emerges from the mind/brain very particular interactivity.

I'm sure he would. He'd have to. The "memory" of enculturated ideas whence form the background conceptual frameworks for our ego's emergence is stored in our brains.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/18/2008 7:39 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks, Bruce. EXCELLENT STUFF!!!

How We Speak Of God - Part 3

Posted Thursday, July 17, 2008

This time, Fr. Thomas speaks of the Activities and Actions of God.

CREATION can be seen as "THEOPHANY" or "HEIROPHANY", revealed to be such by the Word, Only Begotten, Son of God, and Holy One, Jesus of Nazareth, who, as God the Father's Son, is eternally "anointed" with the Holy Spirit in his pre-existent divine person.

We have SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY by Christ's Holy Spirit in OUR human spirit...bringing our despairing human spirits into reconciliation with God the Father. "Abba, Father"

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/18/2008 7:47 AM (GMT -6)

"Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."

"Woman," Jesus replied, "believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."

The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

Then Jesus declared, "I, the one speaking to you—I am he."

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

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Posted 7/18/2008 7:49 AM (GMT -6)

"Many divine energies" <=> "ONE whole fullness of divinity in each act"

ONE LOVE. MANY EXPRESSIONS.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

Post Edited (Shekinah) : 7/18/2008 7:54:15 AM (GMT-5)

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