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wise seeker
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| Posted 12/10/2002 3:19 PM (GMT -6) |   | False Ministers or Prophets
This week on his TV show Evangelist Benny Hinn gave ten ways to spot false ministers or prophets:
1) Hide things or do things in secret. (They don't reveal their salaries)
2) Handle the word of God deceitfully to build themselves up. (They don't raise money for souls)
3) Look on outward appearance not the heart
4) They commend or promote themselves
5) They are always competing with others
6) They are greedy for income for themselves
7) They seek a higher position for themselves like Korah (Numbers 16)
8) They pose as righteous ministers
9) They seek personal glory
10) They are boastful and self exalting
So ask Benny Hinn at Info@bennyhinn.org not to be a hypocrite and to reveal his salary?
Also ask Benny why he supports Senior Pastor Karl Strader of Carpenter's Home church who helped his son to rob and rape sheep?
http://www.davidicke.net/religiousfrauds/pentecostal/godfraud.html
http://www.cephasministry.com/pentecostals_carpenters_church.html
http://www.christiannews.0catch.com/strader.htm
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/lewd.html
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 12/11/2002 3:24 PM (GMT -6) | | Benny did reveal what he made a few years ago, in Charisma magazine. It was something like $167,000.23 a year. Well, the cents is just for laughs, but that was roughly what he was making at the time.
Brandon
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Chucks3371
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| Posted 12/11/2002 5:23 PM (GMT -6) | | Makes me nostalgic for the days when the Church was selling indulgences -- at least you got something worthwhile for your money.
At least Benny did not include Open Theists among the false prophets, unlike some other false prophet lists I have seen.
Oh -- I just noticed the reference to David Icke's web page! Could Rev. Hinn secretly be a lizard?
Ciao,
Chuck S.
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 12/12/2002 3:51 AM (GMT -6) | | Welcome aboard wise seeker. I take it you don't like Benny Hinn.
If Benny Hinn explicitly spoke against those who don't reveal their salaries, while being unwilling to reveal his own salary, then he is inconsistent. But,
a) an inconsistency does not a hypocrit or false prophet make
b) he would have to be REALLY dull to specify a criterion for false prophet he himself is guilty of. I'm thinking you either misunderstood criterion #1, or BBB is right and he DOES reveal his salary
I can't say I'm a fan of Hinn, but I'm very hesitant to accuse someone of being a false prophet, or join in on such an accusation. Love BELIEVES and HOPES all things... so I want to assume the best about him. If you perceive an inconsistent and feel called to do something about it... write him and help him see it.
My take
Greg
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 12/12/2002 5:27 AM (GMT -6) | | Remeber a while back, when Benny was coming clean? He was trying to be accountable to people such as James Robison and Jack Hayford? Approximately at the same time Charisma Magazine interviewed him and that was when he spoke about how much he made.
While I am in agreement with Greg? I'm not a fan of Hinn's either? I'll leave the gifting up to God while maintaining a critical eye towards his theology. JPUSA did an excellent investigative report (as usual) on him entitled, "Market-Driven Theology: A Former Thomas Nelson Editor Tells the Behind- the-Scenes Story of Benny Hinn's Un-Orthodox Success By William D. Watkins."
http://www.cornerstonemag.com/archives/iss101.htm
Though you would have to order away for that back issue to read it.
Brandon
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shell
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| Posted 12/12/2002 7:39 AM (GMT -6) | | I think when a person starts questioning how much money a minister or prophet is making it is because we already have a question about their trustworthiness, or already are questioning their authenticity. I don't see the financial status of the minister as the root issue...
Personally I choose to look at the fruit of the minister in question. Are they touching lives? Are people being saved? Are the prophesies coming true and are they accurate to that person's life?
My husband and I know a modern day prophet and I'm sure there are always those who would look at him skeptically......wonder about his authenticity...but we have seen the fruit that results from his ministry. He tapes every prophesy he does at a conference and sends them home with the individual to review. Everything is up front. We met a pastor recently who had been prophesied over by this individual and there were 30+ points in the prophesy he gave to this man...and every single one had come to pass in detail. People are being touched and are coming closer to the Lord, and are recieving confirmations and direction for their lives. This particular prophet says that you will know a prophet by whether or not the prophesies come to pass.
When I see the fruit of ministries like this, I find that I don't care what the income of the minister or prophet is. If I can't feel secure that there is fruit there then I wouldn't give to that ministry myself.
Shell
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wise seeker
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| Posted 12/17/2002 2:01 AM (GMT -6) | | MK 4:22 "For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light.
At best times politics is a nasty business. Here we see Southern Baptist Al Gore being on CNN talking about how wonderful of a guy he is and how for the good of the party he is not going to run for president. While the truth is that a fellow Democratic Senator Kerry is blackmailing him not to run unless he is want to be exposed for doing what he does best -taking bribes! You cannot trust politicians at all, especially the religious kind!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30024
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 12/17/2002 2:47 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
You cannot trust politicians at all, especially the religious kind!
How about religious posters of the political kind?
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John Earp
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| Posted 12/28/2002 5:50 PM (GMT -6) | | Benny Hinn is a false prophet by biblical criteria in that:
On early 2000 He very approvingly said the Lord had revealed to a trusted fellow minister of his (Ruth Heflin), that Jesus Christ would appear physically at one of Hinn's crusades in the next few months .
Not surprisingly, the Second Coming of Christ did not occur at a Benny Hinn crusade. There are many other false prophesies/predictions and utterly grandiose claims that Hinn has made over the years, all without a shred of substantiation. But to call him to account for his words (a basic obligation of anyone claiming to speak for God) is to reap great accusations of "touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm" by Hinn and all Hinnites. Which scripture, of course, is quite plainly ripped out of context to support some kind of infallibility that even the Pope does not claim.
The following website has a short but important expose' of Hinn, Copeland, and Hagin:
http://members.aol.com/pelajus/homepage/rogues.html
And the following article, "The Atonement and the Word of Faith" conclusively demonstrates the false teaching that is absolutely rife within the WoF movement. I for one do not know why this teaching is not roundly condemned by all Christians who claim to believe the Bible.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Revival_Theology/files/THE%20ATONEMENT%20AND%20THE%20WORD%20OF%20FAITH%202.htm
As a fourth generation classical Pentecostal, I am majorly embarrassed that these WoF guys are so closely "related" to my tradition.
(I mean all the above in the nicest possible way). 
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