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GregBoyd
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| Posted 4/16/2003 10:58 AM (GMT -6) |   | Three months ago Christus Victor Ministries intervened in a crisis situation to get a family fleeing Nigeria shelter and food (see the story on the home page). Through the generous donations of several individuals, we've been able to support this family over the last three months. But the funds are now almost all gone. We DESPERATELY NEED your help to continue supporting this family until they are granted asylum in the US and are able to work on their own. I'd like to ask every reader to seek God as to how he might lead you to help in this endeavor. (Or, if you're not a believer, I'd ask you to simply search your heart and follow your own leading  ). This is a matter of URGENCY! Together we can help this wonderful family get on their feet. Without help.... well, I don't want to even think about that.
Thank you,
Greg Boyd
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 4/18/2003 12:32 AM (GMT -6) | | Yes, all donations are tax deductible when made out to "Christus Victor Ministries." If you are making a monthly pledge, please tell us so as this will help us in planning a budget for this family.
Blessings
Greg
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S.B.G.
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| Posted 5/2/2003 10:03 AM (GMT -6) | | Greg,
Do you have any updates for us?
How's the situation looking?
S.B.G.
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 5/10/2003 10:55 AM (GMT -6) | | I want to thank all who have responded to this call and helped support the Olotoye family from Nigeria. THANK YOU SO MUCH. As a result it looks like we've got the next three months covered, with several making pledges beyond that time. The story of this family is a miracle unfolding, truly. I've rarely been priviledged to be such a part of a pure-God-thing.
So, we're breathing a bit freer for the time being. I
The love of Christian community in action is a thing of beauty to behold.
Just ask the Olotoye family.
in his love
Greg
PS. Don't interprete this good report as saying that we couldn't use your help. It could be a year before this family is granted asylum and thus allowed to work. The budget we are on right now is $1600 a month. Our funding right now we'll take us through August, at which time we only have about $400 a month pledged. So... keep your obedient ears tuned to your capitian .
"The responsibility is with the chooser -- God is blameless." Plato, Republic, 10.
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DLW
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| Posted 6/17/2003 11:52 AM (GMT -6) | | I think that for the long run it would be good for "Evangelical" Christians to display more autonomy in their politics, so as to reduce the sway of economic conservatives who wish to restrict our interventions to area$ of national intere$t$. Alternatively, we may want to have the US use its weight to help enforce the freedom of religion abroad so that families like this won't need to flee from their home country.
Also, ensuring greater freedom of religion is often a stepping stone to ensuring greater political freedoms and reducing corruption, which has been shown to be responsible for the vast majority of starvation/famines in our world.
It is one thing to help one family, but another to try to be "the new internationalists", using our political capital to ensure the freedom of religion abroad that we benefit so much from here in the USA.
dlw
Prayer from Kenya
From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.
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honorman
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| Posted 6/18/2003 8:00 PM (GMT -6) | | Maybe economic conservatives just aren't as stereotypical as you think DLW...
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DLW
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| Posted 6/19/2003 4:38 AM (GMT -6) | |
If that were the case then they wouldn't be economic conservatives...
Show me the money!!!
I am not talking about those that are in favor of strong anti-trust enforcement and are opposed to the US becoming like Europe. I am an economic conservative if that were the case.
I am talking about those that seek corporate welfare or who lobby and fund politicians to get favorable rules and to ward off reforms that will increase their costs(like rules that make corporations report their stock options in their balance sheets).
The idea is simple. There are limitations to what our military, diplomatic power can do. So for us to promote the freedom of religion abroad would likely result in us making expenditures that are not in our national intere$t$. I.e., they won't be geared at ensuring the stability of gov'ts abroad that protect our int'l investments from being confiscated. Everything has an opportunity cost and the question comes down to how we weigh the the opportunity costs, in terms of helping the spread of Christianity abroad or ensuring the protection of our foreign direct investment.
I am not saying the latter isn't important, but that as Christians the former should be more important.
dlw
Prayer from Kenya
From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
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trosie
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| Posted 6/19/2003 6:50 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
So for us to promote the freedom of religion abroad would likely result in us making expenditures that are not in our national intere$t$.
I want to take this to a personal note. I think that sometimes the cost of sacrificing for the betterment of others/in making expenditures that are not in our personal best interest is so WORTH the cost. I have discovered that it is so energizing and rewarding to give when the giving is a sacrifice! God inspired me to give to this family by having me personally deprive myself of some of a small portion of my own resources. Gosh, everytime I think of having to do with less I get energized. It feels SO good to sacrifice for another person (to lay down one's life so to speak) Whether on a personal note or a national one sometimes we have to look past the monetary gain or loss to the whole picture because we are NOT the only ones.
I am sharing this because I am excited -- I hadn't understood until this particular experience that what God is looking for in us giving is NOT the amount or the act of doing as much as it is the heart from which the giving comes. I think through my experience with this I can better understand the message behind the story of the boy who gave up the loaves and fishes. He sacrificed his little bit for the betterment of the whole group.
Just wanted to share this!
trosie
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