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Leviathan
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Leviathan
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| Posted 9/17/2004 3:51 AM (GMT -6) | | Dude...how you post the pic...I couldn't do it
I didn't think I was such a noob | | Back to Top | | |
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Leviathan
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| Posted 9/17/2004 4:59 AM (GMT -6) | | Let me try....
I love you...
No...I love you!!!
Boy, that Buns of Steel video really works!
I like!
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Leviathan
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Leviathan
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DLW
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| Posted 9/17/2004 11:46 AM (GMT -6) | | um, levi.
This is funny.
I agree that CBS should not have aired the story the way they did. But just because the memo was forged, doesn't mean that it is faked. There are several witnesses that have more or less affirmed the content of the memos. It seems someone forged a copy of the original that is inaccessible. To prove it was a fake, one would have to produce an original memo or demonstrate that Killian didn't write such memos about recent discharged soldiers.
For me, I don't believe that Bush's mistakes from his youth should be the basis for judging whether he should be reelected, but rather his performance as a president.
I understand that all this took place before he got saved.
I don't support Bush because he has made us less safe with Iraq and not stabilized Afghanistan adequately into a bulwark against radical terrorism. Also, his term has failed to produce jobs and it has produced incredible deficits. Tax-cuts geared towards the wealthy are a very ineffective way to stimulate the short-run aggregate demand in the economy. This is because wealthier tend to consume less of their income and their savings don't get parlayed automatically into increased investment due to the fundamental uncertainty of the future. I.e., because the return on an investment depends on the future, and precise probabilities cannot be assessed for future states of the world, investment tends to be an inexact science.
dlw
Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes." | | Back to Top | | |
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Leviathan
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| Posted 9/17/2004 12:35 PM (GMT -6) | | DLW-
Where to start with your post?
CBS Memo- the 'source for the memo' is a Texas demorcat hack...
www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2799919
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Possible CBS source has had his credibility questioned before
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But Burkett's allegations have changed over the years, and have been dismissed as baseless by former Guard colleagues, state legislators and others.
Even Burkett has admitted some of his allegations are false.
Bush's performance as a president...
1st what about Kerry's 19 years in the Senete?
Can you name one thing that he has done?
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Bush has made us less safe...
-We have had no attacks on our home land since 9/11!
-Saddum is jailed.
-No longer is $25,000 being give to homiside bombers families in Israel.
-We are fighting and killing terrorist every day...but not in America but Iraq
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Also, his term has failed to produce jobs and it has produced incredible deficits...
-Record Household Wealth. "U.S. household wealth swelled to a new record in the second quarter of 2004, while borrowing outside the financial sector grew at a slower pace, the Federal Reserve said on Thursday. In its quarterly 'Flow of Funds' report, the Fed said household balance sheets increased 1.4 percent to $45.907 trillion in the second quarter, compared with an upwardly revised $45.270 trillion in the first quarter of this year." ("US Household Wealth Swells To Record In 2nd Qtr--Fed," Reuters, 9/16/04)
-Department of Labor announced the creation of 112,000 new jobs in June, offering further proof that President Bush's pro-growth economic policies are working...5 million new jobs since last summer.
- record number of homeowners...
-record low intrest rates...
-unemployment same as when Clinton proclaim 'best economy in 50 years'
Oh ya...produced incredible deficits... you can blame some on Bush's spending, which I don't like but Kerry would spend more and raise your taxes to do so! and 9/11 and at war helped GREATLY with the deficit.
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Tax-cuts geared towards the wealthy
The tax cut were geared toward ALL WHO PAY TAXES!! If you paid no taxes...you got no tax cut!
What do you do with more money in your pocket? spend it... same as the rich!!! thats good for the economy...no matter what the rich do with there money it helps the economy...Unless they put it under the matress!
Those investments are in companies that employee more people!!!
Finilly what would Kerry do that would be dirrerant?
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DLW
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| Posted 9/19/2004 1:53 PM (GMT -6) | | Levi,
1. Lets let the Nat'l guard duty be.
2. Kerry has been involved in the governance of the US in many ways since he's been a senator. His time as a senator has been focused on monitoring our nation's foreign affairs. He also voted for welfare reform.
3.As I recall, Bush's life had been a string of failures until he did well with the Texas Rangers right before becoming gov'r of Texas. Lets face it, the reason he was nominated for president was because of his name-recognition, not his long string of accomplishments as a leader.
4. -We have had no attacks on our home land since 9/11!
-Saddum is jailed.
-No longer is $25,000 being give to homiside bombers families in Israel.
-We are fighting and killing terrorist every day...but not in America but Iraq
-Security was tightened after 9-11 and we may have gotten lucky. This is not something that couldn't have been accomplished by just about any president.
-Saddam being jailed is of no consequence if Iraq is plunged into a civil war. Saddam being jailed doesn't affect the US safety. Saddam was a local bully, not someone who would risk regime-change like with Afghanistan by supporting terrorists striking against the US.
-There still is plenty of terrorism going on in Israel and we are hardly out of the thicket with Iraq or Afghanistan.
-There is not a fixed number of terrorists. The budget of radical terrorists and their ability to recruit is dynamic and subject to be changed based on their ability to spin the US as an imperialist tyrant. Our recent actions have given them a good deal of material in this regard. In case you haven't noticed, we are losing in Iraq as the recent call by both Republicans and Democrats for changes by the BushAdmin signifies.
Levi:-Record Household Wealth. "U.S. household wealth swelled to a new record in the second quarter of 2004, while borrowing outside the financial sector grew at a slower pace, the Federal Reserve said on Thursday. In its quarterly 'Flow of Funds' report, the Fed said household balance sheets increased 1.4 percent to $45.907 trillion in the second quarter, compared with an upwardly revised $45.270 trillion in the first quarter of this year." ("US Household Wealth Swells To Record In 2nd Qtr--Fed," Reuters, 9/16/04)
dlw:-Level of wealth says nothing about distribution of wealth. A rising tide does not raise all boats, persay.
-Department of Labor announced the creation of 112,000 new jobs in June, offering further proof that President Bush's pro-growth economic policies are working...5 million new jobs since last summer.
dlw:Where does this stat come from? I have not heard anything that optimistic. Recent job-stats have not been that good or as high as the job-creation growth rates during the clinton presidency. We have to create a certain number of jobs each month just to absorb our growing labor force and that says nothing about the quality of jobs, whether they are full or part-time and how much they pay.
- record number of homeowners...
-record low intrest rates...
-unemployment same as when Clinton proclaim 'best economy in 50 years'
Oh ya...produced incredible deficits... you can blame some on Bush's spending, which I don't like but Kerry would spend more and raise your taxes to do so! and 9/11 and at war helped GREATLY with the deficit.
dlw:I haven't heard about homeowners. The slack labor market and cheap goods produced abroad have helped a lot with inflation and so its been easy to keep interest rates low.
Unemployment, on the other hand, is poor statistic to use because it is based on whether or not people are actively seeking work. If they are discouraged workers, as many are right now, they do not get counted as part of the labor force. And, once more, being employed only requires that one have a job, it says nothing about the type of job.
It is true that there was a modest recession and 9-11 had a negative impact on our economy. But job-creation has not been impressive since Bush's tax-cuts were passed and the percentage of the population under the poverty line has increased during the entirety of his tenure.
Levi:The tax cut were geared toward ALL WHO PAY TAXES!! If you paid no taxes...you got no tax cut!What do you do with more money in your pocket? spend it... same as the rich!!! thats good for the economy...no matter what the rich do with there money it helps the economy...Unless they put it under the matress!
Those investments are in companies that employee more people!!!
dlw:Tax-cuts geared towards the wealthy are a relative ineffective short-term way to stimulate an economy and they will have a rather serious negative effect when they eventually give way to tax-increases, as will occur inevitably regardless of who is elected.
The idea is simple. People with more income consume a lower percentage of their income. They save more. However, savings does not get translated into investment automatically. The reason for this is the fundamental uncertainty of the future makes the decision to invest an unexact science.
Levi:Finilly what would Kerry do that would be dirrerant?
dlw:He's pledged to hold Clintonian fiscal discipline of balancing the budget. He won't run up deficits by making huge tax-cuts without decreasing spending. He'll be able to get more int'l support to assist us with Iraq so that the US will not bear the burden, disproportionately.
He won't pass "Leave No Child Behind" programs that virtually all educators dislike because of how they increase the stakes without increasing the funding.
I'm sure there's more, but I don't have time right now.
dlw
Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes." | | Back to Top | | |
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Leviathan
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| Posted 9/20/2004 4:44 AM (GMT -6) | | DLW,
Bush signed the forms to release ALL of this service records!!!
KERRY hasn't...why? What is he hiding?
DLW-"There is not a fixed number of terrorists."
LEVI- RIGHT BRO, we are killing them there instead of them blowing up our kids in schools like in Russia!!!
-Department of Labor announced the creation of 112,000 new jobs in June, offering further proof that President Bush's pro-growth economic policies are working...5 million new jobs since last summer.
dlw:Where does this stat come from?
dlw:I haven't heard about homeowners
LEVI- sorry, just because you haven't heard it doesn't make it untrue!
google it...also look on Bush's website!
Levi:Finilly what would Kerry do that would be dirrerent?
dlw:He's pledged to hold Clintonian fiscal discipline of balancing the budget. He won't run up deficits by making huge tax-cuts without decreasing spending.
LEVI- AND RAISE OUR TAXES LIKE CLINTON!!! after he PROMISED not to!!!
DLW-He'll be able to get more int'l support to assist us with Iraq so that the US will not bear the burden, disproportionately.
Int'l support... like how France, and Germany...LOL Have you heard of the OIL FOR FOOD scandal? Plus they don't have a army..what are they going to fight with spit balls!!! LOL
Don't vote for Kerry....but don't take my word on it...listen to Michael Connelly
Dear Senator Kerry:
Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic Nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple, you aspire to be the Commander in Chief who would lead my sons and their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that respect.
You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War II; and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty in Afghanistan after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The youngest is an E-4 with the military police. His National Guard unit just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the national guard and the navy.
In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with. My father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days including the Cherbourg Peninsula, Aachen, the Hurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge.
You earned a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier. My father won a Bronze Star for single handedly charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down. You received three purple hearts for what appears to be three minor scratches. In fact you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds. The men of my father's unit, the 87th,had to be admonished by their commanding officer because: "It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization..." It was also a common problem for seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units. You used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early. My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan and from there back to Iraq again.
My sons and father have never had anything but the highest regard and respect for their fellow soldiers. Yet, you came home to publicly charge your fellow fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked the heroism of the U.S. Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East. Yet as chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime. You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos.
As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability. I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq. However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and our troops to win. Is this what our fighting men and women can expect of you if you are their Commander in Chief? Will you gladly send them to war, only to then aid the enemy by undermining the morale of our troops and cutting off the weapons they need to win?
Our country is at war Senator, and as has been the case in every war since the American Revolution, a member of my family is serving their Country during the war. Now you want me to trust you to lead my sons in this fight. Sorry Senator, but when I compare your record to those who have fought and died for this nation, and are currently fighting and dying, the answer is not just no, but Hell No!
Sincerely, Michael Connelly
February 14, 2004
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feelinahole
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| Posted 9/21/2004 12:23 PM (GMT -6) | | | Levi: for DLW, its personal. He simply doesn't like Bush. So information doesn't work with him. | | Back to Top | | |
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