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|  Laika Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 2433 | Posted 8/2/2006 8:17 AM (GMT -6) |   | |
I just read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. It's about societies that have collapsed and some that haven't and why, etc.
It does offer some hopeful examples for the future of the planet. One thing I've seen erroneously stated by you and others is the population explosion. Most population statisticians see the world population levelling and declining in the future, unless of course, something causes it to explode again. I looked at the zero population group's growth statistics a while ago and even they show a levelling of population in the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
"The UN estimated in 2000 that the world's population was then growing at the rate of 1.4 percent (or 91 million people) per year. This represents a decrease in the growth rate from its level in 1990, mostly due to decreasing birth rates.
The first five years of the 21st century saw something of a decline in the overall population growth, with the world's population increasing at a rate of about 76 million people per year as of 2005.
The future growth of population is difficult to predict. Birth rates are declining slightly on average, but vary greatly between developed countries (where birth rates are often at or below replacement levels) and developing countries. Death rates can change unexpectedly due to disease, wars and catastrophes, or advances in medicine. The UN itself has issued multiple projections of future world population, based on different assumptions. Over the last 10 years, the UN has consistently revised these projections downward."
World population growth 'falling'
| http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3560433.stml
So if you're worried about "too many people" (I don't think God is), there's hope that the increase is levelling.
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 |  Corey Five with a Four-wing

Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1893 | Posted 8/2/2006 1:35 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Thanks for pointing that out, Laika. But that article you linked to does list that world population increased by 800 million in the 90s, and more than doubled since 1960. So maybe the rate is decreasing, but the effect is still significant.
Do you recall the charts Al Gore pointed to in regards to CO 2 levels over time? There was a huge spike at the end. My point is that this "J-curve" (as I've heard Greg describe it) is probably correlated to population, not primarily to any particular sytemic abuse.
Contrary to what I'm sure Al would have us believe, there's really not much that any political party can do about this. Even if on average we somehow were able to pollute 10x less per capita than we did 50 years ago (yeah, right!), the net result is still a dramatic overall increase. Post Edited (Corey) : 8/2/2006 3:39:52 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Laika Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 2433 | Posted 8/2/2006 5:03 PM (GMT -6) |   |
Corey said... Thanks for pointing that out, Laika. But that article you linked to does list that world population increased by 800 million in the 90s, and more than doubled since 1960. So maybe the rate is decreasing, but the effect is still significant.
Yeah, population is still increasing but the good news, er, the other good news is that the rate of increase is decreasing. How's that for political speak?
Some countries, like Japan, seeing a decline in population, are fretting over how to have more babies. The general trend, several studies I saw, was that the population would level at around 10 billion and then start to decrease, given the current trend, caveat emptor. Many populations (mostly developed nations) are at under replacement rates.
Corey said...
Contrary to what I'm sure Al would have us believe, there's really not much that any political party can do about this. Even if on average we somehow were able to pollute 10x less per capita than we did 50 years ago (yeah, right!), the net result is still a dramatic overall increase.
I think some things can be done and are being done. People respond more to the carrot approach than the stick approach, though.
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Print them out and burn them, the supply is inexhaustable.....
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  |  Truth Aficionado Registered Member

Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 1544 | Posted 8/3/2006 4:24 PM (GMT -6) |   | I highly recommend seeing the PBS interview with Sir John Houghton.
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