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BBBCanada
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Posted 7/24/2007 4:27 AM (GMT -6)

http://stackblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/the-win-win-win-scenario-of-christianity/#comment-2429

Call it a “properly teleologically oriented selfishness?” And how this “winning situation for the other so as we might win” is worked out sometimes is not at all in keeping with many Christians perception of what they think right and wrong ought to be all about.

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

PotOnWheel
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Posted 7/24/2007 8:23 AM (GMT -6)

BBBCanada said...
http://stackblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/21/the-win-win-win-scenario-of-christianity/#comment-2429

I found this dialog between Stackhouse and Shultz on the same blog. It was linked to from the page you posted.

http://leronshults.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/02/atonement_and_c.html#comment-61414748

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Similitude
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Posted 7/29/2007 11:15 AM (GMT -6)

What do your comments mean, Brandon? I don't understand whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with the post.

BBBCanada
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Posted 7/29/2007 4:36 PM (GMT -6)

Here is a reply I wrote on John Stackhouse's blog:

I guess the point I was trying to make John was this. That God’s own interest is teleological and thus God sees the forest while we see the trees. God wants to see me “win” so as God can win. But sometimes my “winning” might imply an evil type of a situation. For an example, one’s winning might mean counselling a person to abort a pregnancy, or stealing or lying, etc, such that God will ultimately win. Now we may see only the present circumstances but God has a grander scheme in mind such that this evil situation was “needful” (perhaps a lesser evil) for God to win. Indeed, is not the cross itself (as you say) an example of this? The implications of what you say with regard to ethics are far reaching which is why we are in need of being in tune with what the Spirit is doing and where the Spirit is blowing.

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

Similitude
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Posted 7/29/2007 7:56 PM (GMT -6)

I see, now. I thought you might be arguing against the idea of win-win even in the long run.

BBBCanada
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Posted 7/29/2007 9:52 PM (GMT -6)

Well, Stackhouse's "Win-win-win" blog is under the ethics category. What do you think of this? I agree with Stackhouse that ultimately we do things because they benefit us. That seems like a proper selfishness. However, I don't think many Christians realize how this would potentially work itself out in application.

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

Similitude
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Posted 7/30/2007 6:11 AM (GMT -6)

I agree that we do things because it benefits us. I just think that sometimes that benefit is post-mortem.

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